The units for current density don't check out

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equation for current density and its relationship to the equation for electrical current. Participants explore the definitions and units involved, particularly focusing on the implications of the current density equation and the apparent discrepancy in units when transitioning to the equation for current.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation for current density as J=n*q*vd and attempts to derive the equation for current, raising questions about the units involved.
  • The same participant expresses confusion over the inclusion of distance in their derivation, questioning why the units do not align with the established units of current (coulombs per second).
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the current density equation J=nqv, referencing an external source for validation.
  • A participant corrects the definition of 'n', stating it should be the number of electrons per unit volume rather than per unit area.
  • The initial poster acknowledges this correction and suggests it may have been a typo in their lecture materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some disagreement regarding the definition of 'n' in the context of current density, with one participant correcting another's understanding. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the units in the derivation of current from current density.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the definitions used and the assumptions made about the relationship between current density and current. The transition from current density to current involves unresolved mathematical steps and unit considerations.

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In my lectures the equation for current density was given as:

J=n*q*vd

where:
n = the number of electrons per unit area
q = electron charge
vd = drift velocity of electrons

If you rewrite this equation as:

J=\frac{N}{A}*q*\frac{dr}{dt}

where:

\frac{N}{A} is the number of electrons per unit area

and

\frac{dr}{dt} is the distance each electron moves per second. ie. The drift velocity.
(this distance ignores the distance the electrons move due to their random thermal velocities. This is the distance that they all move together due to the electric field)

Now...

J= \frac{I}{A}

\frac{I}{A}=\frac{N}{A}*q*\frac{dr}{dt}

I =N* q*\frac{dr}{dt}

N * q is the total charge

I =Q*\frac{dr}{dt}

So the units for electrical current are coulomb meters per second.

However I know this is not true. The units of current are coulombs per second.

In the actual equation for current why is there no distance involved? I understand that you can model each coulomb as a particle, and then the current is a flow rate, ie. the number of particles per second. But when you try and derive this from current density it doesn't work out.

Will someone please explain how you can get from the current density equation, to the actual equation for current?

(the "actual equation for current" being I=\frac{dQ}{dt})

Thanks!
 
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CraigH said:
n = the number of electrons per unit area

No, it's the number of electrons per unit volume.
 
Ah okay, yeah that makes sense. It must have just been a typo in my lecture slides.
Thanks
 

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