The velocity of photon in media

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The discussion revolves around the velocity of photons in various media, specifically addressing whether photons travel at speed c or c/n, where n is the refractive index of the medium. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding light propagation in different materials.

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  • Some participants propose that the speed of light in a medium is dependent on the medium itself, with specific examples like Bose-Einstein condensates showing significantly reduced speeds.
  • Others clarify that they are referring to common media with known refractive indices.
  • A participant suggests that the relationship between angles in refraction can be described mathematically, indicating a technical approach to the discussion.
  • Some participants assert that photons always move at speed c, arguing that the refractive index accounts for a phase shift rather than a change in the speed of photons.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the assertion that photons move at speed c/n, emphasizing their belief that light does indeed travel slower in media like glass.
  • A later reply discusses the historical context of the refractive index and its simplification in describing light behavior, mentioning the interaction of electric fields and electron oscillations in materials.

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Participants express conflicting views on whether photons travel at speed c or c/n in media. There is no consensus, as some argue for the constant speed of photons while others support the notion of reduced speed in media.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of photons and the implications of refractive indices, with some participants referencing historical theories and mathematical relationships without resolving the underlying complexities.

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what is the velocity of photon in media, c or c/n ?
 
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I would assume that would depend on the media. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember reading something about the speed of light through a bose-einstein condensate being on the order of 17m/s, maybe 21m/s. Either way, very slow. Glass, water, plastic I'm sure all have slightly different values for c, but no where near the tens of m/s like some materials.
 
Actually I am talking about common media with its refraction index given.
 
That would be the sine of the angle wouldn't it?

Or more specifically v_{2} = \frac{v_{1}sinθ_{2}}{sinθ_{1}}
 
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azureth said:
what is the velocity of photon in media, c or c/n ?

You are making a lot of assumptions about the nature of photons. There is no reason to treat them as little bullets, speeding from place to place. The whole essence of QM is not to think of photons as existing 'anywhere' except when they are emitted and detected.
 
photons always move with speed c.the refractive index part just accounts for a phase shift for light.it does not mean that photon move at speed c/n.for further reference you can see feynman lectures vol.1('the origin of refractive index').
 
andrien said:
photons always move with speed c.the refractive index part just accounts for a phase shift for light.it does not mean that photon move at speed c/n.for further reference you can see feynman lectures vol.1('the origin of refractive index').

Thanks.
 
andrien said:
photons always move with speed c.the refractive index part just accounts for a phase shift for light.it does not mean that photon move at speed c/n.for further reference you can see feynman lectures vol.1('the origin of refractive index').

I'm not quite sure what you are saying, but I was near certain that light does in fact move slower through a medium such as glass, with V=c/n.
 
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Drakkith said:
I'm not quite sure what you are saying, but I was near certain that light does in fact move slower through a medium such as glass, with V=c/n.

the whole theory of refractive index came much later than the name refractive index.people have used it as a simplification for description of behaviour of light in a medium .if there is an electric field shining on a piece of glass it will induce oscillation
of electrons(neglecting protons because they are more massive so there radiation can be neglected) which in turn will emit their own radiation which when combines with the original electric field will give rise to a phase shift of the electric field which can be described by giving light a speed c/n in that medium.
 

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