The velocity of photon in media

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The discussion centers on the velocity of photons in different media, specifically whether it is c or c/n. It is noted that while photons always travel at speed c, their effective speed in a medium is described by the refractive index, which accounts for phase shifts rather than actual speed reduction. Examples like Bose-Einstein condensates illustrate extreme cases where light appears to move much slower, but common media like glass and water have their own specific refractive indices. The conversation emphasizes that the refractive index is a simplification for understanding light behavior in media and does not imply that photons themselves travel at c/n. Overall, the consensus is that photons maintain their speed c, with the refractive index affecting how we perceive their propagation in various materials.
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what is the velocity of photon in media, c or c/n ?
 
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I would assume that would depend on the media. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I remember reading something about the speed of light through a bose-einstein condensate being on the order of 17m/s, maybe 21m/s. Either way, very slow. Glass, water, plastic I'm sure all have slightly different values for c, but no where near the tens of m/s like some materials.
 
Actually I am talking about common media with its refraction index given.
 
That would be the sine of the angle wouldn't it?

Or more specifically v_{2} = \frac{v_{1}sinθ_{2}}{sinθ_{1}}
 
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azureth said:
what is the velocity of photon in media, c or c/n ?

You are making a lot of assumptions about the nature of photons. There is no reason to treat them as little bullets, speeding from place to place. The whole essence of QM is not to think of photons as existing 'anywhere' except when they are emitted and detected.
 
photons always move with speed c.the refractive index part just accounts for a phase shift for light.it does not mean that photon move at speed c/n.for further reference you can see feynman lectures vol.1('the origin of refractive index').
 
andrien said:
photons always move with speed c.the refractive index part just accounts for a phase shift for light.it does not mean that photon move at speed c/n.for further reference you can see feynman lectures vol.1('the origin of refractive index').

Thanks.
 
andrien said:
photons always move with speed c.the refractive index part just accounts for a phase shift for light.it does not mean that photon move at speed c/n.for further reference you can see feynman lectures vol.1('the origin of refractive index').

I'm not quite sure what you are saying, but I was near certain that light does in fact move slower through a medium such as glass, with V=c/n.
 
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Drakkith said:
I'm not quite sure what you are saying, but I was near certain that light does in fact move slower through a medium such as glass, with V=c/n.

the whole theory of refractive index came much later than the name refractive index.people have used it as a simplification for description of behaviour of light in a medium .if there is an electric field shining on a piece of glass it will induce oscillation
of electrons(neglecting protons because they are more massive so there radiation can be neglected) which in turn will emit their own radiation which when combines with the original electric field will give rise to a phase shift of the electric field which can be described by giving light a speed c/n in that medium.
 

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