The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. Or is it?

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The discussion revolves around the philosophical and scientific inquiry into the nature of information and systems, sparked by a line from the game Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. Participants explore the concept of whether a system can store more information collectively than the sum of its individual parts, referencing the idea of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. A key point raised is the distinction between infinite-state machines and finite-state machines, questioning whether the universe operates as one or the other. This leads to considerations of computational strength in relation to Turing machines and the implications for understanding the universe's complexity. The conversation reflects a blend of curiosity about fundamental truths and the challenges of grasping complex theoretical concepts.
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Everything started from a very far-fetched line from a game, that got me into researching some interesting stuff. And eventually I arrived at this age-old question. I mean can this even be true? And I'm not talking about some trivial stuff, but rather on a more fundamental and universal level.
So I just thought I'd ask the resident geeks here on their oppinion. :)
 
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martix said:
Everything started from a very far-fetched line from a game, that got me into researching some interesting stuff. And eventually I arrived at this age-old question. I mean can this even be true? And I'm not talking about some trivial stuff, but rather on a more fundamental and universal level.
So I just thought I'd ask the resident geeks here on their oppinion. :)
How, exactly, are *you* interpreting this? Certainly the whole can be greater than the sum of it's parts. I don't get what you're asking.
 
Erm... I don't really know. I read some stuff that I probably didn't understand at all, but nonetheless...
I'm not even sure how to explain it. :) Maybe something of the sort: Can you store more information in a system of things that could ever be stored in the sum of each of these individually. Or something...
Well I was playing the game Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory and they said something about an infinite-state machine - I thought it was something interesting and went searching.
I also just found this site: http://consc.net/notes/analog.html
It has this question:
Basic question: is the universe an infinite-state-machine or a finite-state-machine? If the second, then it is WEAKER than a Turing machine, so these analog solutions are essentially weak theoretically. If the first, then is it true that it is STRONGER than a Turing machine? At the very least, it seems that it has different theorems of computational complexity.
 
Everytime I've ever dug a whole, I've never been able to put all the parts back in without sum left over.
 
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