The "x'=x-vt" in Galilean/Lorentz transformation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the x' component in the Lorentz and Galilean transformations, specifically the origin and significance of the term "-vt" in the transformation equation x' = x - vt. Participants explore the implications of the sign in relation to the movement of coordinate systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the origin of the "-vt" term in the transformation and whether the sign is determined by the relative motion of the coordinate systems.
  • Another participant suggests that the direction of motion can be understood by observing whether x' increases or decreases with time t.
  • A different participant proposes using a displacement-time graph to relate x' to the motion of objects, indicating that a visual representation may clarify the relationship.
  • One participant emphasizes the geometric interpretation, stating that the S' frame moves with positive velocity v relative to the S frame and suggests drawing a diagram to illustrate this relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express different approaches to understanding the transformation, with no consensus on the interpretation of the sign in the equation or the best method for visualizing the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the coordinate systems and their relative motions are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of the transformations.

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Hello people,
I have a question regarding the x' component in the Lorentz/Galilean transformation.
So from what i understand is that there are 2 coordinate systems used in the transformations. One is used as a reference point and one is used for moving away from this point. The moving away in x-axis is described with x'=x-vt but where does the "-vt" come from and why is it "minus vt" and not "positive vt"?

Is the sign determined by how the prime(')-coordinate system moves relative to the other system? (So it's -vt when you move against the direction of the x-axis?)
 
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You can work out the direction of motion by checking if x' increases or decreases with t.
 
You can draw a displacement-time graph for a pair of objects moving at speed v. What is the equation of the line in terms of x and t? Can you relate x' to this? Drawing an x' vs t graph may help with the latter.
 
JohnTitor said:
Hello people,
I have a question regarding the x' component in the Lorentz/Galilean transformation.
So from what i understand is that there are 2 coordinate systems used in the transformations. One is used as a reference point and one is used for moving away from this point. The moving away in x-axis is described with x'=x-vt but where does the "-vt" come from and why is it "minus vt" and not "positive vt"?

Is the sign determined by how the prime(')-coordinate system moves relative to the other system? (So it's -vt when you move against the direction of the x-axis?)
It's geometric. The S' frame is moving with positive velocity v relative to the S frame. Draw a picture showing the location of the S' frame relative to the S frame at two different times, and you will see visually how this plays out.

Chet
 

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