High School Theoretical Question On The Twins Paradox and Heart Rate

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In the discussion about the twins paradox and heart rate, it is clarified that time dilation does not affect the heart rate itself but rather the perception of time experienced by each twin. The twin traveling at 95% of the speed of light will age less than the twin who remains on Earth, despite both having heart rate monitors that would theoretically "kill" them after 400 million beats. The Earth-bound twin will reach this threshold first, leading to the misconception that their heart rate slows down while traveling at high speeds. The conversation also touches on the complexities of special relativity, including differential aging and the importance of spacetime diagrams for understanding these concepts. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the nuances of time dilation and aging in the context of relativistic travel.
  • #31
PeterDonis said:
What do you mean by ##\gamma \textbf{u}##?
What I mean is, if you start with, say, a coordinate of some moving object, (cdt, dx), ignoring the y and z directions, of course, and then divide by proper time, written as ## \frac{dt}{\gamma\ }## , you get (##\gamma \textbf{c}##, ##\gamma\ u_x##), so that second coordinate, the speed times gamma, is what I mean by ##\gamma \textbf{u}## .

So, if you multiply by invariant mass it becomes γmu, then if you take the time derivative, and then integrate over distance (after doing some manipulations with the differentials and integrating from 0 to u), you end up with a result that is identical to the relativistic kinetic energy equation.

So that's what I meant by all that. I don't know if it's mere coincidence or not, but it seems interesting to me.
 
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  • #32
Sorcerer said:
that second coordinate, the speed times gamma, is what I mean by ##\gamma \textbf{u}##.

That's the same thing that @DrGreg means by ##\gamma \textbf{v}##.
 
  • #33
Sorcerer said:
then divide by proper time, written as ##\frac{dt}{\gamma\ }##

I think you mean ##\frac{dt}{d\tau}##. The 4-velocity vector's components are

$$
U^\mu = \left( \frac{dt}{d\tau}, \frac{d \textbf{x}}{d\tau} \right) = \left( \gamma, \gamma \textbf{v} \right)
$$

(in units where ##c = 1##). Multiplying by the invariant mass ##m## then gives the 4-momentum ##P^\mu##.
 
  • #34
PeterDonis said:
I think you mean ##\frac{dt}{d\tau}##. The 4-velocity vector's components are

$$
U^\mu = \left( \frac{dt}{d\tau}, \frac{d \textbf{x}}{d\tau} \right) = \left( \gamma, \gamma \textbf{v} \right)
$$

(in units where ##c = 1##). Multiplying by the invariant mass ##m## then gives the 4-momentum ##P^\mu##.
Well, as I understand it, ##\frac{dt}{d\tau}## = γ, hence proper time must be ##\frac{dt}{γ}## . So dividing dx by that will give ##\frac{dx}{\frac{dt}{γ}}## which is ##γ\frac{dx}{dt}##, or ##γu## .But yeah the net result is exactly what you put there. I guess it is indeed a 4-velocity, except I'm ignoring y and z.

So why does that look the same as celerity? Is celerity exactly what the spatial components of 4-velocity are?
 
  • #35
Sorcerer said:
as I understand it, dtdτdtdτ\frac{dt}{d\tau} = γ, hence proper time must be ##\frac{dt}{γ}## .

If you want to treat differentials that way (which would give many rigorous mathematicians apoplexy, although most physicists wouldn't bat an eye), then yes, you can write ##d\tau = dt / \gamma##.

Sorcerer said:
So dividing dx by that will give ##\frac{dx}{\frac{dt}{γ}}## which is ##\gamma \frac{dx}{dt}##, or ##\gamma u## .

Yes, which is what @DrGreg was calling ##\gamma \textbf{v}##, as I said before (and that's how I wrote it in my post).

Sorcerer said:
So why does that look the same as celerity?

Because, as @DrGreg posted, celerity is equal to ##\gamma \textbf{v}##.
 

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