Thermal Design Liquid PVT Relationship

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature of a liquid in a closed container, particularly in the context of a thermal design project. Participants explore methods to calculate changes in pressure when heating a liquid, as well as potential project ideas that involve practical modeling rather than purely theoretical work.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is investigating the correlation between pressure, volume, and temperature of water in a rigid container and seeks methods to calculate pressure changes upon heating.
  • Another participant suggests using saturated steam tables but later corrects this by recommending the use of compressed water tables, emphasizing the assumption of constant specific volume due to the rigid container.
  • A suggestion is made to explore the Joule-Thomson effect as a potential project idea, proposing experimental verification of the coefficient under varying conditions or with different gases.
  • Participants discuss the basic modes of heat transfer covered in their coursework, including conduction, convection, and radiation, as well as heat exchanger design.
  • One participant mentions having access to various manufacturing equipment, indicating that practical implementation of a project should be feasible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the best method to calculate pressure changes, as participants propose different approaches and tools. Additionally, while some project ideas are suggested, there is no agreement on a specific project direction.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the appropriate tables to use for calculations and the assumptions involved in their project designs. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the subject matter and available resources.

Who May Find This Useful

Students or individuals interested in thermal design, heat transfer principles, and practical applications of thermodynamic concepts may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm starting a Thermal Design course this semester and I need to come up with some type of thermal based design project. I came up with one idea, but I am trying to determine its feasibility, which is not proving to be very easy.

I have been trying to find the correlation between pressure, volume and temperature of a liquid in a closed container. So basically, I would have a container completely filled with a liquid (water). Then I would heat the container, which would cause the liquid to expand thus giving me a change in pressure in the container.

What is the proper method to calculate the change in pressure? I'm assuming that the container is non-deformable.


Thanks in advance.
 
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After really thinking about this, I never put two and two together that I could just use the saturated steam tables.


Does anyone have any useful ideas that I could use as a design project? The only requirement is that it cannot be purely theoretical, some type of model must be built.


Thanks
 
tanky322 said:
After really thinking about this, I never put two and two together that I could just use the saturated steam tables.
You would not use saturated steam tables; you would use the compressed water tables and assume constant specific volume due to the rigid container, while varying the temperature. Then interpolate the pressure.

Does anyone have any useful ideas that I could use as a design project? The only requirement is that it cannot be purely theoretical, some type of model must be built.
What sort of material have you already covered? What equipment do you have access to? Doing something with the Joule-Thomson effect would be interesting and not too difficult. Maybe experimentally verify the coefficient for differing conditions or for different gases.
 
We have covered the basic modes of heat conduction, Conduction, convection, radiation etc, also we did a good deal on heat exchanger design. I would say pretty much the basics of heat transfer.

Equipment wise I have access to a variety of equipment. CNC mills and lathes and various different testing equipment etc. Manufacturing the project should not be much of an issue.


Thanks
 

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