Thermo problem for a pressure vessel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving heating water to a superheated state within a constant volume pressure vessel. Participants explore the relationship between the volume of water, temperature, and final pressure of the vessel, while considering the limitations of the Ideal Gas Law in this context.

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  • Homework-related
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving a pressure vessel with a specific volume and initial conditions, seeking to determine the final pressure after heating water to a superheated state.
  • Another participant suggests using the combined gas law, questioning its applicability to superheated steam.
  • A different participant points out the importance of specific volume and references superheated water vapor charts to find the pressure.
  • One participant calculates the specific volume and finds a corresponding pressure of 1000 psia at the given temperature, expressing uncertainty about whether this value is accurate.
  • Another participant agrees with the 1000 psia pressure, reinforcing the use of steam tables for determining pressure based on specific volume and temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the final pressure, with one suggesting it should be significantly higher (7000-10,000 psia) than the calculated 1000 psia. There is no consensus on the correct final pressure, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of the Ideal Gas Law for this scenario and emphasize the need to use steam tables for accurate pressure determination. The discussion includes assumptions about the specific volume and temperature but does not resolve the discrepancies in pressure calculations.

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Homework Statement


My question has to do with heating water to a superheated state inside a constant volume vessel.

Given: A pressure vessel with a total volume of 36.77ft^3, is filled with 5 gal of water and heated from room temp. to a final temp. of 1100°F. Obvisouly the initial pressure is atmospheric and the initial temp. is room, or let's say 80°F.

Find: Final pressure of vessel.

In the end I will vary the amount of water in the vessel to obtain a curve relating the volume of water to the final pressure but we can assume 5 gal for the beginning. I have worked on this for some time and am sure that it is much simpler than I am making it out to be. I am aware that the Ideal Gas Law may not be applied since the gas will be water vapor at a high pressure. Hopefully one of you can enlighten me.

Thanks

Homework Equations


Steam Tables


The Attempt at a Solution


i've used many approaches such as heat transfer finding the Q, and the ideal gas law.
 
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Constant volume: P1/T1=P2/T2
 
can this combined law be applied to superheated steam? i didn't think it could since i came up with 76 psia which couldn't be correct
 
You are correct, my mistake. You know the specific Volume (volume/mass) and the final temperature. Look on your superheated Water Vapor charts to find the pressure.
 
Finding the specific volume, I get that 36.77cu.ft./ (5*8.33lb/gal) = 0.8828 which corresponds to a pressure of 1000psia from the superheated steam tables at 1100°F. It seems to me that the pressure should be more around the 7000-10,000 psia range, is this correct?
 
I think 1000 psia is correct.
 
The steam table is the correct route to take. As previously stated, you know the specific volume and you know the temperature. Therefore you can find the pressure from the steam tables as noted above.
 
sounds good, thanks guys!
 

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