Thermodynamics: Amount of work required to increase pressure at constant volume

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the work required to inflate a tire from 0 psi to 35 psi while maintaining a constant volume of 3.5 ft³. The problem is situated within the context of thermodynamics, specifically focusing on adiabatic processes and the behavior of gases under pressure changes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between pressure, volume, and work done in an adiabatic process. There are attempts to apply various thermodynamic equations, but confusion arises regarding the change in volume and the appropriate values for specific heat capacities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the nature of the gas being pumped and the assumptions regarding temperature and pressure. Some participants have provided calculations and expressed uncertainty about the values used, particularly the specific heat ratio, while others have suggested alternative approaches to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of clarity regarding the specific heat capacity values and the initial conditions of the gas. Additionally, participants are working under the assumption that the process is adiabatic, which may affect their calculations.

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Homework Statement



By means of a hand pump, you inflate a tire from 0 psi to 35 psi (overpressure). The volume of the tire remains constant at [tex]3.5 ft^3[/tex]. How much work must you do on the air pump? Assume each stroke of the pump is an adiabatic process and that the air is initially at STP.

Homework Equations



[tex]pV^\gamma=constant[/tex]
[tex]dW=pdV[/tex]
[tex]\Delta{Q}=nC_v\Delta{T}[/tex]
[tex]pV=nRT[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I can't use [tex]dW=pdV[/tex] because the change in volume is 0.

[tex]p_0V^\gamma=p_1V^\gamma[/tex]

Since V is constant, that implies [tex]p_0=p_1[/tex]

So I'm left with [tex]\Delta{Q}=nC_v\Delta{T}[/tex] and [tex]pV=nRT[/tex]

Combining them, I get [tex]\Delta{Q}=\frac{C_v\Delta{p}V}{R}[/tex]

The problem is I don't know what [tex]C_v[/tex] is.

Since the value isn't given in my book, I assume that I'm suppose to calculate it.

I know that [tex]C_p=\frac{5}{2}R[/tex] for monotomic gas and [tex]C_p=\frac{7}{2}R[/tex] for diatomic. I assume air is a mixture of both.

But when I plug in the numbers (R=8.314) it just doesn't come out correctly.

The correct answer is [tex]8.1\times{10^3} ft\cdot{lb}=10982 J[/tex]. Working backwards from that answer I can see that [tex]C_v=3.82[/tex].

So what am I missing?
 
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You have written that change of volume is zero. Change of which volume? The gas in the cylinder of the pump is getting compressed.

The air which is inside the tyre is definitely compressed, so there must have been a change in volume.

Now think which formula you can apply.
 
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Here's the thing about this problem: you want to track the amount of gas being pumped into the tire. The air in the tire starts at 1 atm absolute (the pressures given in the problem are gauge pressures) and ends at 1 atm + 35 psi . The volume remains at 3.5 ft^3 . I think we may have to assume that while the process is adiabatic, the temperature of the air in the tire reaches equilibrium at STP. What you want to find is how many moles of air are injected into the tire and then find what volume that air originally occupied. That would give you a way of assessing the adiabatic work done in getting the air into the tire.

Air is treated as entirely diatomic, BTW (it's predominately nitrogen and oxygen). Also [tex]c_{V} + R = c_{P}[/tex]
 
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Trying to calculate the volume of the air before it was put in the tire:

[tex]p_1V_1^\gamma=p_2V_2^\gamma[/tex]

[tex]V_1=V_2(\frac{p_2}{p_1})^\frac{1}{\gamma}[/tex]

[tex]W=\int{pdV}[/tex]

[tex]p=p_1\frac{V_1^\gamma}{V^\gamma}[/tex]

[tex]W=\int{pdV}=\int{\frac{p_1V_1^\gamma}{V^\gamma}dV}=\frac{1}{\gamma-1}p_1V_1(1-(\frac{V_1}{V_2})^{\gamma -1})[/tex]

I'm still getting the wrong answer.
 
Maybe I'm using the wrong value for [tex]\gamma[/tex].

All the problems in the book as well as the examples suggest [tex]\gamma = 1.4[/tex]. So that's what I've been using.

Well, even though it's driving me crazy, I've got to forget about this. I'm taking the GRE subject test in physics tomorrow and I still have to go over electromagnetics and oscillations. It's been 20 years since I've had undergrad physics!
 
Hi Bill,

Your calculation is correct, even though it's better to eliminate V1 from the final expression since that’s the unknown but that’s immaterial, since you are putting the value of V1 later. I converted everything to MKS and got the result as 437213 Joules. The arithmetic is very messy, and there’s no guarantee that the number is correct.

And gamma is 7/2 for air.
 

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