Thermodynamics, first law, pressure increase, volume increase

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the heating of oxygen gas, specifically addressing how to calculate the heat energy required to increase its volume and pressure under constant conditions. The subject area includes concepts from thermodynamics, specifically the first law, and the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature using the ideal gas law. There are attempts to calculate the heat energy required for the changes in state, with some participants expressing confusion over the application of specific heat capacities and the equations involved.

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Some participants have provided calculations for the heat energy required under different conditions, while others express gratitude for insights gained during the discussion. There is recognition of the importance of the ideal gas law in understanding the problem, but no explicit consensus on the final approach or solution has been reached.

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Participants are working under the constraints of specific heat capacities provided in the problem, and there is mention of a final result from a textbook that some are trying to reconcile with their calculations. The original poster expresses frustration with their understanding, indicating a potential knowledge gap that is being addressed through discussion.

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Homework Statement


How much heat energy is needed to heat oxygen, mass=10g which is on temperature t=27°C to make the volume go up by 3 times while pressure is constant, and after that increase the pressure 2 times while volume is constant. Specific heat capacity of oxygen is cp= 908 J/KgK and cv=653 J/kgK.

Homework Equations


Q=m*cv(p)*delta(T)
Q=U+pV

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried and tried and triiied and i hate to come here to look for an answer its a probably an easy one, but i have a mental blockade, can't think of anything.
I have final result Q=11,32kJ if it helps(solution to this from my book)I simply cannot find any relation or equation so that i can relate pressure and volume etc. I know general fomula Q=U+pV, but that didn't get me anywhere..Thanks
 
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pV/T = const

const pressure:
1/(27+273) = 3 / (T + 273) --> dT = 600
Q1 = mc_v dT = 0.01kg * 908 * 600 = 5448 KJ

const vol:
1 / (627 + 273) = 2 / (T + 273) --> dT = 900
Q2 = mc_pdT = 0.01kg * 653 * 900 = 5877 kJ

Q_total = Q1 + Q2 = 11325kJ
 
ppzmis said:
pV/T = const

const pressure:
1/(27+273) = 3 / (T + 273) --> dT = 600
Q1 = mc_v dT = 0.01kg * 908 * 600 = 5448 KJ

const vol:
1 / (627 + 273) = 2 / (T + 273) --> dT = 900
Q2 = mc_pdT = 0.01kg * 653 * 900 = 5877 kJ

Q_total = Q1 + Q2 = 11325kJ

See, I had absolutely no idea about pV/T part, that changes everything. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

I just had like 5 in a row "aha" moments :D Gas equation, fixed quantity of gas etc
 
ppzmis said:
pV/T = const

const pressure:
1/(27+273) = 3 / (T + 273) --> dT = 600
Q1 = mc_v dT = 0.01kg * 908 * 600 = 5448 KJ

const vol:
1 / (627 + 273) = 2 / (T + 273) --> dT = 900
Q2 = mc_pdT = 0.01kg * 653 * 900 = 5877 kJ

Q_total = Q1 + Q2 = 11325kJ
I think you meant to write C_p in the first calculation (Q1) and C_v in the second (Q2). You have used the correct values though.

AM
 

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