# Interpreting a thermodynamics formula using a picture

• PhysicsKush
In summary, the equation defines an isothermal compression process of an ideal gas, where the pressure decreases as the gas is expanded.
PhysicsKush
Homework Statement
$$\frac{\partial \Gamma}{\partial p} \Bigg|_{t} = \frac{\partial \Gamma}{\partial p} \Bigg|_{v} + \frac{\partial v}{\partial p}\Bigg|_{t} \frac{\partial \Gamma}{\partial v} \Bigg|_{p}$$

Interpret this formula by using words or a picture (ie. the change in Gamma when we pressurize a gas along an isotherm, is equal to...).
Relevant Equations
$$\Gamma(p,v) = vp^2$$
$$pv=t$$
I notice that ##pv=t## looks like the ideal gas law but with ##T## in units of energy. I know that ##pV = \text{constant}## means that the pressure of a gas decreases as you expand it (Boyle-Mariotte's law), explaining for instance how we breathe.

I guess I could put everything in words even though it will be a paragraph long and probably incorrect :

"The change in Gamma when we pressurize a gas along an isotherm is equal to the change in Gamma when we pressurize that gas along an isovolumetric process , with additionally the product between the change in volume during pressurization along an isotherm and the change in Gamma under a dynamic contrast along an isobar",

but I'm curious to see how this could be represented with a picture.

Here's a hint. Start out by drawing a short section of an isotherm on a PV diagram.

Chestermiller said:
Here's a hint. Start out by drawing a short section of an isotherm on a PV diagram.
Thank you for your insightful hint. I came to the conclusion, that the formula as defined represents an isothermal compression process of an ideal gas.

Mihail Anghelici said:
Thank you for your insightful hint. I came to the conclusion, that the formula as defined represents an isothermal compression process of an ideal gas.
Let's see your diagram, showing how the equation plays out.

Chestermiller said:
Let's see your diagram, showing how the equation plays out.

After reconsidering,I think it is actually an isothermal expansion since the slope ##\frac{\partial v}{\partial p}\big|_{t}## is multiplied by ##\frac{\partial \Gamma}{\partial v}\big|_{p}## ,which is along the ##x## direction.

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Mihail Anghelici said:
After reconsidering,I think it is actually an isothermal expansion since the slope ##\frac{\partial v}{\partial p}\big|_{t}## is multiplied by ##\frac{\partial \Gamma}{\partial v}\big|_{p}## ,which is along the ##x## direction.
What they are looking for is two alternate paths connecting two adjacent point on the isotherm. One path is directly between the two points. The other has one segment at constant pressure and a second segment at constant volume. The diagram should show that the two alternate paths deliver the same change in gamma.

PhysicsKush
Chestermiller said:
What they are looking for is two alternate paths connecting two adjacent point on the isotherm. One path is directly between the two points. The other has one segment at constant pressure and a second segment at constant volume. The diagram should show that the two alternate paths deliver the same change in gamma.
I think I successfully illustrated what you described to me. If that is indeed correct, I'm very curious to know how how you were able to interpret the given PDE formula and come up with this conclusion, because I'm not able to do that. Thank you again sir.

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Mihail Anghelici said:
I think I successfully illustrated what you described to me. If that is indeed correct, I'm very curious to know how how you were able to interpret the given PDE formula and come up with this conclusion, because I'm not able to do that. Thank you again sir.
I don't know. Just experience, I guess.

berkeman
Chestermiller said:
I don't know. Just experience, I guess.
Well, I can not submit this picture since I don't understand how we arrived at this conclusion. I shall keep on searching for an alternate answer. Thank you again for your help !

OK. I'm going to take another shot at this. On a PV diagram, show some lines of constant T, and some crossing lines of constant ##\Gamma=vp^2##. Then show the line for a change in ##\Gamma## along a line of constant T. I think that this will make more sense to you.

If we increase pressure by ##\delta P## at constant temperature, the function ##\Gamma## increases from ##\Gamma_1## to ##\Gamma_2##. But. if we increase pressure by ##\delta P## at constant volume, the function ##\Gamma## increases by more, from ##\Gamma_1## to ##\Gamma_3##. So, in the latter case, if we want to get the change and constant temperature, we need to add an additional term equal to ##\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial P}\right)_T\left(\frac{\partial \Gamma}{\partial V}\right)_P\delta P=-(\Gamma_3-\Gamma_2)##

PhysicsKush
Chestermiller said:
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If we increase pressure by ##\delta P## at constant temperature, the function ##\Gamma## increases from ##\Gamma_1## to ##\Gamma_2##. But. if we increase pressure by ##\delta P## at constant volume, the function ##\Gamma## increases by more, from ##\Gamma_1## to ##\Gamma_3##. So, in the latter case, if we want to get the change and constant temperature, we need to add an additional term equal to ##\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial P}\right)_T\left(\frac{\partial \Gamma}{\partial V}\right)_P\delta P=-(\Gamma_3-\Gamma_2)##
WOW ! I think I understand now ,all the pieces are connecting together !

Thank you so much for having persisted with me throughtout this. Couldn't thank you enough sir.

## 1. What is thermodynamics?

Thermodynamics is a branch of physics that deals with the relationship between heat, energy, and work. It is concerned with how energy is transferred and transformed in physical systems.

## 2. How can a picture help in interpreting a thermodynamics formula?

A picture can help visualize the different components and processes involved in a thermodynamics formula. It can also aid in understanding the relationships between these components and how they affect each other.

## 3. What are the main components of a thermodynamics formula?

The main components of a thermodynamics formula are the variables, such as temperature, pressure, and volume, and the operators, such as addition, subtraction, and multiplication. These components represent the different physical quantities and their relationships in the formula.

## 4. How do you interpret a thermodynamics formula using a picture?

To interpret a thermodynamics formula using a picture, you can first identify the variables and operators in the formula. Then, you can draw a diagram or graph to represent these components and their relationships. This can help you visualize the processes involved and better understand the formula.

## 5. What are some common thermodynamics formulas that can be interpreted using a picture?

Some common thermodynamics formulas that can be interpreted using a picture include the ideal gas law, the first and second laws of thermodynamics, and the Carnot cycle. These formulas involve variables such as temperature, pressure, and volume, and can be represented graphically to aid in interpretation.

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