Thermodynamics: help regarding the coefficient of heat transfer

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The discussion revolves around calculating heat transfer through a concrete wall in a building, focusing on the application of thermal conductivity and coefficients of heat transfer. Participants explore the problem of determining the heat transfer rate given specific temperatures, wall dimensions, and material properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving heat transfer through a wall and expresses confusion about incorporating two coefficients of heat transfer into their calculations.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial equation provided only accounts for conduction and emphasizes the need to calculate thermal resistance for the air-wall interfaces.
  • A later reply reiterates the need to formulate three thermal resistances and sum them to find the total resistance, which relates to the overall heat transfer coefficient.
  • One participant proposes a formula for calculating heat transfer that incorporates the coefficients of heat transfer and the wall's thermal resistance.
  • Another participant provides feedback on the calculations, noting a discrepancy in results and suggesting corrections to the units used in the calculations.
  • A participant confirms achieving consistent results after applying the suggested corrections.

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Participants generally agree on the approach to calculating heat transfer but express differing views on specific calculations and the application of coefficients of heat transfer. Some calculations yield slightly different results, indicating unresolved discrepancies in the methodology.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of unit consistency and significant figures in calculations, highlighting potential limitations in the initial approach and the need for careful consideration of thermal resistances.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners in thermodynamics, particularly those dealing with heat transfer calculations in building materials and structures.

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Hi!

Basically I have some tasks in thermodynamics calculating the heat transfer through a wall.

I have been attempting to solve the following problem:

“Calculate the heat transfer through the exterior wall in a building, where the temperature inside the building is 20 °C and the temperature outside the building is 5 °C. The wall is concrete, and is 4 m high and 8 m long, and have a thickness of 200 mm. The thermal conductivity for the concrete wall is 0,40 W/(mK), the coefficient of heat transfer at the wall inside is 1,2 W/(m2K) and the coefficient of heat transfer at the wall outside is 1,9 W/(m2K).”

I have attempted the following:

q = (k / s) A dT

= U A dT

= [(0,40 W/(mK) / (0.2 m)] [(4 m) (8 m)] [(20 °C) - (5 °C)] I'm not sure where to begin and what to add into the calculations. The two coefficient of heat transfer confuses me. How do I solve this?

Help is appreciated, thanks.
 
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Hi,

first of all, please use the homework template and do not delete or change it in your posts - thanks.

However, your first equation ## \dot{Q} = \frac{k}{s} A \Delta T## basically is correct, but only describes the heat transfer due to conduction in the wall. You also have to calculate the thermal resistance between the wall and the air at the inside and the outside to obtain the heat transition coefficient. Like in electrical engineering you can think of the three thermal resistances (air/wall - wall - wall/air) as a series of resistances. Do you know how to calculate the total resistance consisting of several resistances in series?
 
Hi

Thanks for the reply. Yes I do. But how to apply two coefficient of heat transfer still confuses me. I am not sure how to do it.
 
Ian von Hegner said:
Hi

Thanks for the reply. Yes I do. But how to apply two coefficient of heat transfer still confuses me. I am not sure how to do it.

The approach is like this:

1) Formulate the 3 thermal resistances (the inverse value of the conductances)
2) Sum them up to obtain the total resistance (which is the inverse value of the total conductance or the heat transition coefficient respectively)
3) Plug the total confuctance into your formula

So try to find the expressions for the three resistances ##R_1## - ##R_3##. Any suggestions/ideas?
 
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Hi!

Thanks for the reply.

Since I shall find the heat transfer through the wall, and have two coefficient of heat transfers, then this might be the solution:

Q = (TA – TB) / (1/h1A) + (Δx/kA) + (1/h2A)

= (20 °C – 5 °C) / ((1/1,2 W/m2K x 32 m2) + (02 m/0,40 W/mK x 32 m2) + (1/1,9 W/m2K x 32 m2))

= (15 °C) / ((0.023 W/m2K) + (0.016 W/mK) + (0.016 W/m2K))

= (15 °C) / ((0.023 W/m2K) + (0.016 W/mK) + (0.016 W/m2K))

= 15 °C / 0.055 W/m2K

= 15 °C / 0.055 W/m2K

= 272, 7.
 
Your calculation is almost correct, I obtain a slightly different value ##\dot{Q}=258.11\;W##. First of all, I apparently used more significant digits. Secondly your value for ##\frac{1}{h_{in}}## seems to be wrong. Please try to correct it and see if we get the same result.

Two more comments:

1) It would be easier to keep the area of the wall above the fraction bar:

$$\dot{Q}=\frac{A\Delta T}{\frac{1}{h_{in}}+\frac{s}{k}+\frac{1}{h_{out}}}$$

2) Writing the units/dimensions of the different values is a good idea, but you also have to check them for conistency. Unfortuanately your units are wrong starting from the third line downwards
 
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HI!

I got the same results now, using both approches. Thank you for the help.
 
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You're welcome
 

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