Calculating Cp for Ideal Gases using Thermodynamic Relationships

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The discussion centers on calculating the specific heat at constant pressure (Cp) for ideal gases using Meyer's formula and the relationship between Cp and Cv. According to the forum, Meyer's equation Cp - Cv = R is valid only for ideal gases, with Cp calculated as 13.314 J/mol·K when using the equation Cp = Cv + R. The conversation also highlights an alternative method involving the adiabatic coefficient (γ) and the speed of sound to determine Cp. The relationship between internal energy (U), enthalpy (H), and volume (V) is crucial for understanding these thermodynamic properties.

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Rongeet Banerjee
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Homework Statement
Is Meyers equation :
Cp - Cv =R always valid?
Relevant Equations
Cp=Cv +R
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In this particular Question according to Meyer's formula,the value of Cp should be (8.314+5) i.e. 13.314 .But that option is missing.
There is another approach to this problem by finding the Adiabatic Coefficient and then finding Cp.I have no problem with that approach.
But my initial doubt still remains.
 
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Rongeet Banerjee said:
Homework Statement:: Is Meyers equation :
Cp - Cv =R always valid?
Relevant Equations:: Cp=Cv +R

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In this particular Question according to Meyer's formula,the value of Cp should be (8.314+5) i.e. 13.314 .But that option is missing.
There is another approach to this problem by finding the Adiabatic Coefficient and then finding Cp.I have no problem with that approach.
But my initial doubt still remains.
Cp = Cv + R is true only for an ideal gas. However, the volume occupied by one mole of gas at a certain temperature and pressure (NTP in this case) is the same for ideal and real gases. I think you are expected to determine ##\gamma## from the speed of sound and determine Cp from that.

AM
 
Thanks
 
Just to provide some justification: For any gas, you have ##C_V = \left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial T} \right)_V## and ##C_p = \left(\frac{\partial H}{\partial T} \right)_p##. Now $$H = U + pV \implies \left(\frac{\partial H}{\partial T} \right)_p = \left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial T} \right)_p + p \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T} \right)_p$$For an ideal gas, you have ##C_V = \left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial T} \right)_V = \left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial T} \right)_p##. Furthermore for an ideal gas, ##V = \frac{nRT}{p} \implies p \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T} \right)_p = nR##. Hence we finally obtain $$C_p = C_V + nR$$
 

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