Thermodynamics of heating water in a cylinder with piston

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The problem involves heating water in a cylinder with a frictionless piston under specific initial conditions. The initial pressure is given as 100 kPa, and the water does work on the piston amounting to 290 kJ/kg. The goal is to find the final temperature of the water.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the First Law of Thermodynamics and question how to determine the heat added to the system. There are inquiries about the constancy of pressure during the heating process and the implications of the piston being frictionless with weights on it.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored. Participants are questioning the assumptions regarding pressure changes and the nature of the pressure in the system, indicating a productive examination of the problem's parameters.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the pressure at state two and whether the initial pressure of 100 kPa is gauge pressure or absolute pressure, which could affect the analysis.

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Homework Statement


Consider water contained in a cylinder at 25C with a frictionless piston with some weights on it. Initially the pressure inside the piston is 100kPa and then the water is heated such that the water does 290kJ/kg of work on the piston. Find the final temperature of the water.


Homework Equations


First Law: Ein-Eout=ΔEsystem


The Attempt at a Solution


Since heat is added and work in done by the system, by the first law,
qin-wout=Δesystem=Δu=cv(T2-T1)

q-290=cv(T2-T1)

But how can I get q in order to calculate T2?

Thank you
 
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You will need more equations than just the one under 2.
cv requires v constant. How can the water do work if the piston doesn't move ?
 
Can I assume the pressure is constant during the process?
 
yy205001 said:
Can I assume the pressure is constant during the process?

Why would the pressure change? What determines the pressure in this set-up?
 
The pressure is 100kPa in state1 but did not mention about the pressure about state2?
 
What would "a frictionless piston with some weights on it" mean about the pressure before and after?
 
How can the pressure on the water be 100 kPa if the piston has weights on it? Isn't that just atmospheric pressure? Or is the 100 kPa gage pressure?

Chet
 

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