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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a constant-volume gas thermometer, where participants are tasked with determining the temperature associated with specific pressure readings. The subject area is thermodynamics, specifically relating to gas laws and temperature conversions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of the ideal gas law and the relationship between pressure and temperature. There is uncertainty regarding the application of the formula P/T = P/T and the necessity of converting temperatures to Kelvin. Questions arise about the consistency of results when using different pressure and temperature pairs.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the correct approach to use the ideal gas law, emphasizing the importance of temperature conversion. There is an ongoing exploration of the results obtained from calculations, with participants discussing potential discrepancies due to rounding and significant figures.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of significant figures in their calculations and the implications of rounding on the final temperature values. There is also a recognition of the limitations of the provided data and the assumptions made regarding the precision of measurements.

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Homework Statement

a constant-volume gas thermometer has a pressure reading of 0.900 atm at -50.0ºC and a reading of 1.510 atm at 100.0ºC. What temperature is associated with: a) a pressure of 1.000 atm and b) 1.200 atm?



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The Attempt at a Solution

well I am not sure where to start i thought i should use PV=nRT and i could use a proportion PV/T=PV/T and with the V constant it would just be P/T=P/T but the 2 pressures and temps in the problem don't follow that

if i just knew what direction to go in i should be able to solve the problem
 
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jbrookins3 said:

Homework Statement

a constant-volume gas thermometer has a pressure reading of 0.900 atm at -50.0ºC and a reading of 1.510 atm at 100.0ºC. What temperature is associated with: a) a pressure of 1.000 atm and b) 1.200 atm?



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The Attempt at a Solution

well I am not sure where to start i thought i should use PV=nRT and i could use a proportion PV/T=PV/T and with the V constant it would just be P/T=P/T but the 2 pressures and temps in the problem don't follow that

if i just knew what direction to go in i should be able to solve the problem

P/T=P/T is the right approach. The ideal gas laws always use temperatures in Kelvins. (That prevents you getting zeros in denominators or negative pressures and volumes). If you convert -50.0ºC and 100.0ºC to K, do you get consistent results?
 


Since P/T = constant, you should be able to use either P/T value to get T at P = 1 atm.
 


for part a:
if i convert the temp to K and use P/T=P/T with both initial p/t i get
.900/223=1.00/T t=247.78K or -25.72C

1.510/373=1.00/T T=247.02K or 25.98C

is the difference just do to some rounding in the initial 2 sets of pressures and temps?
 


That is the most likely reason I'd say.
 


jbrookins3 said:
for part a:
if i convert the temp to K and use P/T=P/T with both initial p/t i get
.900/223=1.00/T t=247.78K or -25.72C

1.510/373=1.00/T T=247.02K or 25.98C

is the difference just do to some rounding in the initial 2 sets of pressures and temps?

If you follow the rules of significant figures, the two temperatures round to 248 K and 247.0K. Those convert to -25 C and -26.1 C. Given the interpretation that values are known within 1 of the final digit, those numbers are "the same".
 

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