[Thermodynamics] Temperature gradient around a warm sphere.

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The discussion centers around the temperature gradient surrounding a warm sphere with a constant surface temperature, T_s, in ambient air at a constant temperature, T_amb. Participants explore the concepts of natural convection and radiation as they relate to heat transfer and the calculation of the temperature gradient in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on calculating the temperature gradient around a sphere, considering natural convection and radiation as key factors.
  • Another participant notes that for lower temperatures and air as the medium, convection typically dominates over radiation and suggests looking for empirical equations in heat transfer literature.
  • A participant questions the availability of analytical solutions for free convection around a sphere, indicating a preference for empirical methods.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the existence of analytical solutions for free/natural convection, highlighting the complexity of the problem and the importance of nondimensional ratios like the Rayleigh and Prandtl numbers.
  • A suggestion is made that numerical methods, such as finite element analysis, could provide an approximation for the solution, with a mention of software like Ansys for this purpose.
  • Another participant agrees that a numerical approach is suitable and emphasizes the need for software capable of handling bulk fluid flow to accurately model thermal energy removal from the sphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that natural convection is the primary mode of heat transfer in this scenario, but there is no consensus on the availability of analytical solutions, with some expressing doubt about their existence and others suggesting empirical or numerical methods instead.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the analytical versus empirical approaches to solving the problem, as well as the dependence on specific conditions such as temperature ranges and fluid properties.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, and heat transfer, particularly those exploring convection phenomena and numerical modeling techniques.

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Hi,

Say I have a sphere of radius r that has a constant surface temperature of T_s.
The sphere is surrounded by air at a constant temperature T_amb.
I am interested in the temperature gradient surrounding the sphere.

From the little I know, I think i have to look at the natural convection and radiation.
I can calculate the heat transfer by using Newtons cooling law and the law for radiation,
but I do not know how to calculate the temperature gradient.

Could someone please point me in the right direction?

Much appreciated!
 
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For temperatures less than hundreds of °C and air as a surrounding medium, convection generally dominates over radiation. It seems like you're interested in free convection (no forced flow) around a sphere; you can find empirical equations for this case in handbooks (possibly on the Internet) and in the heat transfer textbook Fundamentals of Heat and Mass Transfer by Incropera and DeWitt, which includes references to literature reviews of the problem.
 
Hi Mapes,

yes, I am interested in the free convection around a sphere and other geometries.
When you say that I can find empirical equations, does that mean that there are no analytical ways in solving this?

Thank you.
 
I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Free/natural convection is a notorious fluid mechanics problem where few analytical solutions exist. Researchers make empirical connections by comparing various nondimensional ratios (e.g., the Rayleigh and Prandtl numbers, which you'll need to calculate for this problem).
 
I assume that a solution could be approximated by using numerical methods like finite element.
Perhaps Ansys can solve this somewhat easily, will have a look.
Thanks
 
Sure, a numerical approach is ideal. Just make sure your software can accommodate bulk fluid flow. That's the mechanism that's removing thermal energy from the sphere.
 

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