Time constant of an inductor coil

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I think I can solve this problem . But I am bit unsure about how current changes in the circuit and the coil when it is shorted .

Before the coil is shorted , there will be no induced EMF across the terminals of the coil .

When the coil is shorted , is the potential difference across the coil zero (because of the wire placed across it or is it equal to the induced EMF(because of the change in current ) ?
 

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Charles Link said:
For this one, you don't need to know any electrical circuit theory.

But I am interested in the circuit theory :smile:

Could you clear my doubts .
 
With no voltage source in the circuit, it obeys ## L \frac{dI}{dt}+IR=0 ## where there must necessarily be some small resistance ##R ##. This differential equation has a solution of the form ## I(t)=I_o e^{-R t/L } ## so that ## t_c=\frac{L}{R} ##.
 
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Charles Link said:
With no voltage source in the circuit, it obeys ## L \frac{dI}{dt}+IR=0 ## where there must necessarily be some small resistance ##R ##. This differential equation has a solution of the form ## I(t)=I_o e^{-R t/L } ## so that ## t_c=\frac{L}{R} ##.

When the inductor is shorted , what happens to the battery ? I think it remains connected .
 
Jahnavi said:
When the inductor is shorted , what happens to the battery ? I think it remains connected .
In a very simple circuit, you have a DC voltage ## V_o ##, a resistor ## R_1 ## and an inductor in series. The current in the inductor will be ## I_o=\frac{V_o}{R_1} ##. You then short circuit the inductor, so that the only resistance in the inductor part of the circuit will be a very small resistance ## R ## which is mostly from the wires making up the inductor. The battery and resistor ## R_1 ## still have current ## I_o=\frac{V_o}{R_1} ## and the current for this part of the circuit will also be in the short-circuit wire. (If I could draw a picture, it would be easier).
 
This is the picture I have in my mind .
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Assume R to be the internal resistance of the coil . Initially S1 is closed and a constant current E/R is flowing through the coil .

Then coil is short circuited by closing switch S2 while keeping S1 closed . Are you interpreting it similarly or are you opening S1 while closing S2 ?

I suppose the two interpretations of shorting the coil are different .
 

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I have another (larger) resistor ## R_1 ## right next to the battery. That way when ## S_2 ## is closed , there is no need to open ## S_1 ## at the same time. And to be more exact ## I_o=\frac{V_o}{R_1+R } ##.## \\ ## And what happens with the inductor is it acquires an EMF ## \mathcal{E}=L \frac{dI}{dt} ## that tries to maintain the current in the inductor and the EMF attempts to keep the current from changing.
 
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OK . Thanks :smile:

After S2 is closed (keeping S1 closed) , what will be the current through the large resistor R1 (next to the battery) ?
 
The large resistor ## R_1 ## next to the battery will have current ## I=\frac{V_o}{R_1} ##. Actually, you could let ## R_1 ## and ## R ## be whatever resistor values you want, and the current in the inductor circuit, after it is short-circuited will have ## I(t)=I_o e^{-R t/L} ## where ## I_o=\frac{V_o}{R_1+R} ##.
 
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OK .

So the current through R1 remains constant even after the coil is shorted (after closing S2) ?

And the current through S2( middle branch) will be the sum of the currents through R1 and Coil/R . Right ?

Does that mean the current through the coil decays through the middle wire without affecting the branch containing the battery and R1 ?

Does that also mean that the induced EMF in the coil does not disturb the current through the battery and R1 ?
 
See also a couple items I added to the previous post. ## \\ ## There will be a change in the current through the battery because initially ## I_b=\frac{V_o}{R_1+R} ## and after switch ## S_2 ## is closed, ## I_b=\frac{V_o}{R_1} ##. ## \\ ## And ## S_2 ## is assumed to be a short-circuit, so once ## S_2 ## is closed, the battery can not tell what the inductor is doing, i.e. it will not be affected by any EMF's that the inductor generates.
 
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OK .

After S2 is closed current through S2( middle branch) will be the sum of the currents through R1(constant value) and Coil/R(varying) . Right ?

The current flowing through S2 will be varying ?

Does that mean the current through the coil decays through the middle wire while the current through the battery remains constant with a value Vo/R1 ?
 
The current from the inductor will always go from right to left through ## S_2 ## in the way you drew it, and that current, (which is time varying, ## I(t)=I_o e^{-Rt/L} ##, and eventually drops to zero) is superimposed on a left to right DC current of ## I=\frac{V_o}{R_1} ## from the battery portion of the circuit. Once the inductor current goes to near zero, the current in ## S_2 ## will be left to right and will be ## I=\frac{V_o}{R_1} ##. So that ## I(t)_{S_2}=\frac{V_o}{R_1}-\frac{V_o}{R_1+R} e^{-Rt/L} ## (with left to right as positive). ## \\ ## And yes, you are correct=the current in the battery stays constant once the switch ## S_2 ## is closed. :)
 
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Wow !

Back to the original question I asked in the OP .

Jahnavi said:
When the coil is shorted , is the potential difference across the coil zero (because of the wire placed across it or is it equal to the induced EMF(because of the change in current ) ?

I think potential difference across the terminals of the coil will be 0 .The entire induced EMF will drop across the internal resistance of the coil .

Correct ?
 
Jahnavi said:
Wow !

Back to the original question I asked in the OP .
I think potential difference across the terminals of the coil will be 0 .The entire induced EMF will drop across the internal resistance of the coil .

Correct ?
If you add a resistor ## R ## in the circuit, then you find there is a voltage generated by the inductor. Otherwise, (if ## R ## is simply inside the inductor), if you put a voltmeter across ## S_2 ##, (to measure the inductor voltage), you would measure zero, because the resistive voltage drop is internal to the inductor, just as you stated. Yes, you have that correct. :)
 
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Charles Link said:
I have another (larger) resistor ## R_1 ## right next to the battery. That way when ## S_2 ## is closed , there is no need to open ## S_1 ## at the same time.

Why is it that books invariably open S1 just after S2 is closed ? Every book does that :rolleyes: .

Is it to protect the battery from getting damaged by a flow of large current?

And since you put a large resistor , this possibility was eliminated because the current was limited ?
 
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Thank you so much Charles !

You are quite amazing :smile: