Time-energy uncertainty and derivative of an operator

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The discussion revolves around two problems related to quantum mechanics. The first problem involves demonstrating a relationship involving the time derivative of an operator that has no explicit time dependence. The second problem pertains to estimating the time-energy uncertainty relation for a free wave packet traveling at a constant velocity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the straightforwardness of the first problem and whether Ehrenfest's theorem is applicable. For the second problem, there is exploration of calculating the uncertainty product and whether a general wave function for the wave packet is necessary. Some participants suggest using known formulas for wave packets and discuss the limits of momentum uncertainty.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering various approaches and questioning the requirements of the problems. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored, particularly regarding the second problem's requirements and potential methods for estimation.

Contextual Notes

The first problem does not provide explicit time dependence, while the second problem lacks additional information that might clarify the requirements for estimating the time-energy uncertainty relation.

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Homework Statement


I would appreciate feedback on the following two problems:
(1) For a given operator A with no explicit time dependence I am asked to show that d/dt(eAt)=A(eAt)
(2) A free wave packet of width Δx is traveling at a constant velocity v0=p0/m. I am asked to estimate the time-energy uncertainty relation.

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(1) Is this as straightforward as it appears to be? Probably isn't, right? Is this to be solved using Ehrenfest's theorem? Or how?
(2) I can easily show that ΔEΔt ~ ħ but is this what I am plainly asked, or am I rather asked to arrive at a more exact result (i.e. find the proportionality coefficient)?
 
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To take the time derivative of e^{At} with respect to t, you can take the power series expansion of e^{At}, differentiate term by term, and re-exponentiate, since what you get left should be A times another exponential.

For the second problem, it looks like they're asking you to calculate the uncertainty product \Delta E\Delta t from the given information. Then you can see for yourself how much larger than \frac{\hbar}{2} it is.
 
For the second problem, how may I go about it then? Is it necessary to write the general wave function for the wave packet and then find the variances?
 
I would think so, if you know what the wavefunction of the wave packet is. I can't say off the top of my head what that would be, though.
 
The question, as formulated, does not provide any additional information other than that in #1. Any ideas?
 
I'm guessing that there is a standard formula for a free wave packet of given \Delta x and p_{0}, to which the problem is referring.

Failing that, the best I can think of is to find a limit to the momentum uncertainty with \Delta p\geq \frac{\hbar}{2 \Delta x}.

Then, knowing p_{0} and a bound for \Delta p, you can use that E=\frac{p^{2}}{2m} and the propagation of uncertainty

(\Delta E)^{2}\approx (\frac{\partial E}{\partial p})^{2}(\Delta p)^{2}

Getting an estimate for the time uncertainty is a bit trickier (since time is not an observable), but you can say that

\Delta t = \frac{\Delta x}{(\frac{d <x>}{dt})}

That's about all I can say on the matter, though.
 

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