Time measured by a car-Special relativity

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The problem involves a scenario where a car A is moving away from a stationary observer O at a velocity of c/3. A light signal is sent from observer O to car A when the car is 200,000 km away. The main question is how long it takes for the signal to reach car A as measured by the car itself, utilizing concepts from special relativity and Lorentz transformations.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of equations and the application of Lorentz transformations, questioning the correctness of initial attempts and the relevance of certain distances.
  • Some participants explore the time and position of events in different reference frames, raising questions about the definitions of events and the implications of moving versus stationary frames.
  • There is a focus on clarifying the interpretation of time intervals and the conditions under which the Lorentz transformation can be applied.

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The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored. Participants have provided guidance on the need for a common origin in the reference frames and the importance of careful consideration of time and distance when switching frames. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants continue to clarify their understanding and reasoning.

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There are indications of confusion regarding numerical notation and the setup of events in different frames. Participants are also addressing the implications of the distances involved and the timing of events in relation to the stationary observer's frame.

  • #31
Paulo Figueiredo said:
I think that is a equivalent expression. In the situation in study, i think that t2-t1=x/v-a/v=(x-a)/v, and x2-x1=x-a.
Then, Δt'=γ((x-a)/v-v(x-a)/c^2)=γ((ct-a)/v-v(x-a)/c^2), where γ=1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2).

Nevertheless, 0.9428s is not the correct answer.
 
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  • #32
PeroK said:
Nevertheless, 0.9428s is not the correct answer.
Maybe not. If you get another answer I will apreciate to know.
Thank you very much:smile:
 
  • #33
Paulo Figueiredo said:
Maybe not. If you get another answer I will apreciate to know.
Thank you very much:smile:

Why don't you try finishing it off? I get:

##\Delta t' = t'_2 - t'_1 = \gamma((t_2 - t_1) - \frac{v(x_2-x_1)}{c^2}) = \gamma(1s - \frac{x_2}{3c})##

Note that I haven't used any numbers such 200,000 at all. Also, note that ##x_2 = 1## light-second ## = 1c s##
 
  • #34
PeroK said:
Why don't you try finishing it off? I get:

##\Delta t' = t'_2 - t'_1 = \gamma((t_2 - t_1) - \frac{v(x_2-x_1)}{c^2}) = \gamma(1s - \frac{x_2}{3c})##

Note that I haven't used any numbers such 200,000 at all. Also, note that ##x_2 = 1## light-second ## = 1c s##
I think that the problem is the value of x1. x2=1c s -Okay-(it is approximately 300,000 Km). But x1=200,000 Km (2c/3 c s) ?
 
  • #35
Paulo Figueiredo said:
I think that the problem is the value of x1. x2=1c s -Okay-(it is approximately 300,000 Km). But x1=200,000 Km (2c/3 c s) ?

Ah, okay. But ##x_1 = 0##.
 
  • #36
PeroK said:
Ah, okay. But ##x_1 = 0##.
Let's see: O and A are initially in the same place (t=t'=x=x'=0). Correct? Then A moves with a velocity c/3. It was as if O moves farway from A at that velocity. The event 1 is the event concerning at t1=2 sec. Then x1 (distance between O and A, measured by O) is 200,000 Km. I don´think that x1=0. This value was not the value when the event 1 had occurred.
 
  • #37
Paulo Figueiredo said:
Let's see: O and A are initially in the same place (t=t'=x=x'=0). Correct? Then A moves with a velocity c/3. It was as if O moves farway from A at that velocity. The event 1 is the event concerning at t1=2 sec. Then x1 (distance between O and A, measured by O) is 200,000 Km. I don´think that x1=0. This value was not the value when the event 1 had occurred.

Event 1 is O emitting the signal. ##x_1## is the location of the event, not the position of A. So, ##x_1 = 0##. This is in O's frame. You could use the Lorentz Transformation to get the coordinate of Event 1 in A's frame, which would be ##x'_1 = \gamma(x_1 - vt_1) = -\gamma vt_1##.
 
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  • #38
PeroK said:
Event 1 is O emitting the signal. ##x_1## is the location of the event, not the position of A. So, ##x_1 = 0##. This is in O's frame. You could use the Lorentz Transformation to get the coordinate of Event 1 in A's frame, which would be ##x'_1 = \gamma(x_1 - vt_1) = -\gamma vt_1##.
You are right. Now I understand my error.
Thank you very much.
 

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