Time Period of SHM: T/(2\sqrt{1/2})

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The discussion revolves around the time period of simple harmonic motion (SHM) when a spring is divided into two equal parts. The original poster presents a scenario where a particle executes SHM under the force of a spring, and questions how the time period changes when only half of the spring is used.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the spring constant and the time period of SHM, questioning whether the time period remains the same when using half of the spring. They discuss the implications of uniform compression and the movement of the spring's center compared to its ends.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some suggesting that the spring constant changes when the spring is halved, leading to a different time period. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the concepts of force distribution and spring behavior under compression.

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There is a mention of the original poster's uncertainty regarding the effects of spring length on the spring constant and time period, indicating a potential gap in understanding that is being explored through the discussion.

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Time period of SHM !

ellloO ^.^

Homework Statement


<Q>A particle executes SHM under the restoring force provided by a spring. The time period is T . If the spring is divided in 2 equal parts and one part is used to continue the SHM, The time period will
<A> remain T <b> become T/2 <c> become 2T <d> become T/(21/2)

Homework Equations


>If on a particle of mass "m" at a displacement "x" from the mean position , a force " -kx " acts ;then the particle will be in SHM abt that mean position. [ k = constant]
T = [2 \pi (m)1/2]/(k)1/2

The Attempt at a Solution


>>Earlier, the particle was acted upon by force of magnitude "kx" when it was "x" away from mean position and thus time period
T =[2 \pi(m)1/2]/(k)/2
>>If we use the half part only , still the particle will be acted upon by force of magnitude "kx" and time period T will not change.
>>But the answer is <d> become T/(21/2)
Little help ^.^
{ lol don't know why the Pie symbol is flying above all other words }
 
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Consider a spring with spring constant k. You paint a small mark on the spring at the halfway point so that you can follow the motion of the center. Now the spring is compressed by an amount x. How far did the mark move? What is the compressive force all along the spring (if you were to insert a little force meter into the spring at any given point along its length)?
 


Thanks for replying :D
>Hmmm Don't know where the center of spring will be ;)
>But I know the Tension in the spring will be "kx" if the extension or compression is "x" .
You referring Tension as the compressive force or u talking abt smthing else??
>But still I do not got why the time periods will not be same Whether whole spring is taken or half part (of it) is taken as ""the time period"" for this spring-mass system depend on spring constant "k" and not on spring's length {As much as i know}
>>>Any ideas anyone >:D (^_^)
 


Springs compress uniformly. If the end of the spring moves by x, how far does the center move?
 


Hmmm uniformly... If i keep this in mind, the center of spring will move by a distance "x" {But then how the "spring" gets compressed if every point moves the same distance xD. I think I got "uniformly" wrong way .But can't think of what else would happen :( hehe }
Can u help me out more ^.^
 


'Springs compress uniformly' means that all of the spring participates evenly in the compression -- they don't squeeze tightly at one point and remain loose at others.

Draw a picture of a spring standing on end. Beside it draw a picture of the same spring compressed by an amount x. Draw a line connecting the tops of the springs. Draw a line connecting the centers of the springs. How much did the center move compared to the top?
 


Hmm by my rough diagram, I got the spring's center will move less than spring's top.
If the top moved by "x" , the center moved by "x/2" {approx}
 


Okay. In reality the center will move exactly by half the distance.

Now, the other thing to note is that the force applied to the spring is felt all along the length of the spring, and is finally transmitted to whatever is holding the fixed end. Anywhere along the length the compressive force is the same. If you cut the spring at the halfway point and measured the force there, it would be the same as the applied force at the top end.

Now, given those two facts, what's the 'k' for the half spring? The force is the same as before, but the distance is halved...
 


Oo oO :O hehe
>Got the spring constant for half part to be "2k" and thus the time period will be
"T/(2)1/2".
>I thought that spring constant depends only on the material from which the spring is made and not on its length. Thanks to you got a new thing to know :D
 

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