Titration Exam Question 1: Calculating Concentration of Undiluted Nitric Acid

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a titration problem involving the calculation of the concentration of undiluted nitric acid (HNO3) after performing a titration with sodium hydroxide (NaOH). Participants explore the steps needed to derive the concentration from the given data, including the dilution factor and the application of the MaVa = MbVb equation.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem statement and initial calculations, arriving at a concentration of 0.6384 mol dm-3 for the diluted nitric acid, which converts to 40.2192 g dm-3.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of checking for order-of-magnitude reasonableness in calculations, suggesting that the initial concentration seems unreasonably high given the volumes involved.
  • A later reply indicates a recalculation resulting in a concentration of 4.02192 g dm-3 for the 25 cm3 of diluted acid, suggesting a need to multiply this value by 25 to find the original concentration.
  • One participant confirms the need to multiply the recalculated value by 25 to determine the concentration of the undiluted nitric acid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the final concentration of the undiluted nitric acid, as there are differing calculations and interpretations of the dilution factor. The discussion reflects uncertainty and multiple approaches to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concerns about potential errors in calculations, particularly regarding the order of magnitude of the results. There is also an acknowledgment of the dilution factor affecting the final concentration, but the exact steps to resolve these uncertainties remain unresolved.

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1. The problem statement, "all variables and given/known data
A solution of nitric acid, HNO3, of concentration 100 g dm-3, can be used to artificially age wood.

A sample of nitric acid was tested by pipetting 10.00 cm3 of the acid into a 250 cm3 volumetric flask and filled up with deionised water to the mark. A titration took place where 19.95 cm3 (mean titre) of sodium hydroxide solution with a concentration of 0.0800 mol dm-3 was added to 25 cm3

Calculate the concentration of the undiluted nitric acid in g dm-3

Homework Equations


MaVa = MbVb

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the above equation I got the concentration of the 25 cm3 of nitric acid solution as 0.6384mol dm-3, which is 40.2192g dm-3, but how do I find the undiluted concentration?
 
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1. The problem statement, "all variables and given/known data
A solution of nitric acid, HNO3, of concentration 100 g dm-3, can be used to artificially age wood.

A sample of nitric acid was tested by pipetting 10.00 cm3 of the acid into a 250 cm3 volumetric flask and filled up with deionised water to the mark. A titration took place where 19.95 cm3 (mean titre) of sodium hydroxide solution with a concentration of 0.0800 mol dm-3 was added to 25 cm3
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Calculate the concentration of the undiluted nitric acid in g dm-3

Homework Equations


MaVa = MbVb

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the above equation I got the concentration of the 25 cm3 of nitric acid solution as 0.6384mol dm-3, which is 40.2192g dm-3, but how do I find the undiluted concentration?

Well firstly you will need to get into the habit for all quantitative work of checking automatically for order-of-magnitude reasonableness, so some mistakes hit you in the eye. You've taken some almost 0.1 M NaOH, you've neutralised it with a roughly equal volume of acid, and you say the acid is 6× as concentrated! It's a decimal point error, but you home in on detecting it faster by the above type of reasoning than by going through the calculations in detail. And if this is happening in the last 30 seconds of an exam you just write "this figure is unreasonable, about an order of magnitude too high" and you would in this case get most of the credit, at least if it's humans marking.

After you've done that you have the concentration of your diluted nitric acid. You had diluted this 25× and you ask what was the original concentration?
 
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Just redid the equation and got values ten times smaller than before, so its 4.02192 g dm-3 for the 25 cm3 for the acid used. So, x25 now?
 
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