To what extent does this system behave as a pendulum?

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The discussion focuses on the behavior of a system resembling a pendulum, emphasizing that the mechanical momentum of the horizontal force and constraint reactions is zero, leading to two equilibrium positions: one stable and one unstable. The horizontal force does not influence the equilibrium configurations or the system's dynamics, which behaves like a compound pendulum with a specific moment of inertia. The only potential impact of the horizontal force is in calculating constraint reactions through the acceleration of the center of mass. The analysis suggests that the system's dynamics can be effectively described using a single Lagrangian coordinate, θ. Overall, the conclusions drawn about the system's behavior and the role of the horizontal force are deemed reasonable.
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Homework Statement
This is exercise 9 from chapter 7 of Fasano, Marmi "Analytical Mechanics"

In a vertical plane, a homogeneous equilateral triangle ##ABC## with weight ##p## and side ##l## has the vertices ##A## and ##B## sliding without friction along a circular guide of radius ##l## (the point ##C## is located at the centre of the guide). A horizontal force of intensity ##\frac{p}{\sqrt{3}}## is applied at ##C##. Find the equilibrium configurations and the corresponding constraint reactions. Study the stability of the (two) configurations and the small oscillations around the stable one. (Remark: the first part of the problem can be solved graphically.)
Relevant Equations
Second cardinal equation around ##C##
As ##C## does not move, for equilibrium we need

$$0={dL}{dt}=M_C=\phi_A \times AC +\phi_B \times BC + F_p \times CP_0$$

where ##P_0## is the center of mass of the triangle and ##F_p## the weight of the triangle with magnitude ##p## and ##\phi_A## and ##\phi_B## are the costraint reactions at ##A## and ##B## respectively.
In the formula above I have that the mechanical momentum of the horizontal force with respect to ##C## is always ##0## because the point of application coincides with the pole. Also, the mechanical momentum of the costraint reactions is ##0## because the costraint is smooth so the reaction is always perpendicular to the circle, hence parallel to the radius vectors ##AC## and ##BC##. This means that for the equilibrium the mechanical momentum of the weight needs to be ##0## as well, then I see that the two equilibrium positions are the one in which ##AB## is horizontal, either below ##C## (stable) or above ##C## (unstable).
So the horizontal force seems to play no role as for the equilibrium configurations.

Also, the system has one degree of freedom hence a single lagrangian coordinate which I can choose as ##\theta##, the angle that the heigth of the triangle passing from ##C## does with the vertical direction.
The projection of the horizontal force ##F## on a tangent vector ##\frac{\partial C}{\partial \theta}## is always ##0## as well as ##C## does not move so ##\frac{\partial C}{\partial \theta}=0##.

It seems then that the horizonal force has no role in the dynamic of the system as well and that the system behaves as a compound pendulum with moment of inertia ##\frac{5}{12}\frac{p}{g}l^2##.

The only place where I can see the horizontal could play a role is in the calculation of the costraint reactions ##\phi_A## and ##\phi_B## which can be derived I think calculating the acceleration of the centre of mass ##P## of the triangle (e.g. solving lagrange equation for ##\theta##) and then applying the first cardinal equation for the ##x## and the ##y## position (I have two equations and two unknowns, the magnitude of the costraint reactions as the direction is known, perpendicular to the circle).

Does the above make sense or am I loosing something?

thanks
 
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All seems reasonable to me.
 
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