Torque formula derivation for a particle moving in circular

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the torque formula for a particle moving in a circular path, focusing on the relationship between tangential and radial velocities in the context of circular motion.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the meaning of the derivative dr/dt in relation to tangential and radial velocities, questioning why it represents tangential velocity. There is also a discussion about the nature of the position vector and its implications for understanding velocity.

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Some participants have provided insights into the definitions of position and velocity vectors, while others have expressed differing views on the presence and nature of torque in this context. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and clarifications regarding the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the position vector r is not merely the distance to the particle, and there is a distinction being made between the mathematical and physical interpretations of torque in this scenario.

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L = r x p
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Consider that the particle is moving in circular with tangential velocity v, and (0,0)is its origin.

I wonder why dr/dt is equal to tangential velocity instead of radial velocity (since dr/dt means how much change in radial distance in a really short duration of time)
 
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Father_Ing said:
I wonder why dr/dt is equal to tangential velocity instead of radial velocity (since dr/dt means how much change in radial distance in a really short duration of time)
Note that r is the position vector of the particle, not merely the distance to the particle.
 
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Yes usually the bold letters in equations represent vectors. So ##\mathbf{r}## is a vector (the vector that denotes the position of the particle, hence position vector) and ##\frac{d\mathbf{r}}{dt}## is the velocity vector (by definition the velocity vector is the first time derivative of the position vector). It is the whole velocity, not only the radial or only the tangential.
 
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There is no torque in this situation.
 
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Lnewqban said:
There is no torque in this situation.
There is torque but it is not the "usual sense " torque that we have in rigid body systems.

Here the torque is more in the mathematical sense as the cross product of the position vector and the net force that is being applied to the point particle.
 
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