Torque without a torque wrench

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around methods for achieving a specific torque value (250 ft lbs) for tightening a trailer hitch ball without using a torque wrench. Participants explore alternative techniques and safety considerations related to applying torque using body weight and lever arms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the formula Torque = Force x Distance to calculate the necessary distance to stand on a breaker bar to achieve 250 ft lbs of torque.
  • Another participant confirms the math and emphasizes the importance of practicing the technique to avoid accidents.
  • A third participant shares an anecdote about using a long pipe and a deer scale to achieve a much higher torque (3000 ft-lbs) for a different application, suggesting that similar principles can apply.
  • A fourth participant raises safety concerns about the method being discussed, suggesting that investing in a proper torque wrench would be a safer and more reliable solution.
  • This participant also advises on safety measures to take when using body weight to apply torque, such as using a platform to prevent slipping.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach to calculating torque using body weight and lever arm distance, but there is disagreement regarding the safety and advisability of the proposed method. Some participants advocate for the method while others caution against it.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concerns about the potential dangers of using body weight to tighten a nut, highlighting the need for careful technique and safety precautions. There is no consensus on whether the method is advisable for regular use.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals looking for alternative methods to achieve specific torque values without a torque wrench, as well as those interested in the safety implications of such methods.

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I need to tighten the nut for a trailer hitch ball to 250 ft lbs but I don't have a torque wrench that can do it.

I read on a different forum that an alternate old school method to get 450 ft lbs of torque is:
  • Torque = Force x Distance
  • So in that forum's example, have a 180 lb person stand on a 2.5 ft breaker bar. The calculation is 180 x 2.5 = 450.
Is that a correct way to get 450 ft lbs of torque?

If so, then since I weigh 142.3 lbs, 250 ft lbs / 142.3 lbs = 1.76 ft.
0.76 ft is about 9 inches. Therefore 12" + 9" = 21".
So I would have to stand on a breaker bar at 21" from the nut to exert 250 ft lbs of torque.
The breaker bar would of course have to be horizontal while I stand on it for the 250 ft lbs of torque.

Need confirmation from physics gurus whether this is correct or not.
Thanks!
 
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Your math is correct. I would practice my technique before standing on the breaker bar with the nut attached.
You don't want to bounce the bar or have your weight shifting +/- an inch along the bar.
Plan and Practice.
 
Yes, it's right. Plus what @.Scott said. And you get a +1 for actually properly tightening the hitch ball.

I once designed a threaded connection that needed 3000 ft-lbs of torque. So we bolted a 15 foot length of pipe to the part, attached a deer scale, tied a rope to the deer scale, and had two men pull on the rope until the scale read 200 lbs.

A deer scale is a spring scale used by deer hunters for weighing deer. Like this, but 300 lbs full scale:
Deer scale.jpg
 
We need to close this thread now, since there is liability involved in helping you do something dangerous to save a few bucks. Especially if you are going to be changing trailer balls very often, you should just invest in a new torque wrench. Also, you may want to invest in an extension for that wrench so you can get the nut back off again... :wink:

As a safety tip, since you will likely be turning the hitch 90 degrees in order to be able to use your weight vertically to turn the nut, also put a box or other platform under the part of the wrench where you will be applying your weight, so if you do slip off, you only slip a couple inches onto the box/platform.
 
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