Torsion and Curvature: Understaind The Theory of Curves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concepts of curvature and torsion in the context of curves, particularly in three-dimensional space. Participants explore their definitions, significance, and applications in both mathematics and physics, touching on classical theory and potential generalizations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the purpose of curvature and torsion, seeking clarification on their uses in mathematics.
  • Another participant explains that curvature indicates how much a curve deviates from being a straight line, while torsion indicates deviation from a plane.
  • A later reply emphasizes that torsion and curvature can uniquely specify a curve in three-dimensional space, referencing classical texts for further reading.
  • Discussion includes the intrinsic definition of curvature, noting that it yields zero curvature for curves when considered in a Riemannian context.
  • Participants mention that if curvature is zero at every point, the curve is straight, and if torsion is zero, the curve is planar.
  • One participant introduces the Frenet-Serret frame and its generalization to higher dimensions, mentioning "hypertorsions" related to deviations from hyperplanes.
  • Another participant discusses the application of curvature and torsion in the context of timelike curves in Minkowski spacetime, linking these concepts to the Unruh Effect and variations in observed spectra based on curve behaviors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple viewpoints regarding the definitions and implications of curvature and torsion, with no consensus reached on the broader applications or interpretations of these concepts in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of curvature and torsion are not explicitly stated, and the discussion includes references to various mathematical and physical contexts that may not be universally agreed upon.

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I don't really understand the point in Curvature and Torsion, I am wondering if someone could explain them to me. Thank you for your kindness: Why do mathematicians need Curvature and Torsion? What are their main uses??
 
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You should post this under Differential Geometry. Anyway, a quick answer is: Curvature describes how "curve" is a curve, more precisely it tells you how much it deviates away from being a straight line [which has zero curvature]. Does that help? The torsion of a curve tells you how much it deviates away from a plane.
 
Yes, Tremendously ! Thank you~
 
EDIT: Ok I removed my previous response because for some reason the title now says theory of curves, which I did not see before for some reason. The concept of the torsion and curvature of a curve embedded in ##\mathbb{R}^{3}## are very easy to picture and define and can be found in any text on the classical theory of curves and surfaces. See Do Carmo "Differential Geometry of Curves and Surfaces" for an extended discussion about torsion and curvature that is particularly intuitive; this will expand upon everything yenchin said. The important point to take home is that for space curves, torsion and curvature uniquely specify the curve up to a transformation under an element of the euclidean group.
 
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Since the OP has in its title "Understand The Theory of Curves", I guess he was just referring to the "classical theory" of curves embedded in [itex]\Bbb{R}^3[/itex]. If one uses the intrinsic definition of curvature [i.e. Riemann curvature], this always gives zero curvature for curve.

By the way to expand a little bit on my previous post: If the curvature is zero at every point, then the curve is a straight line; if the torsion is zero at every point, then the curve is planar [can be drawn on a plane; a helix is an example of non-planar curve].

Also curvature and torsion uniquely species any smooth curve [Fundamental Theorem of Curves].

What is interesting to me is that using curvature and torsion one can construct the Frenet-Serret frame, which also generalizes to higher dimensions [you would then have a bunch of "hypertorsions", which describes deviation away from hyperplanes of various dimensions].
 
By the way, in the physics literature, one could generalize curvature and torsion and hypertorsions to timelike curves in Minkowski spacetime of special relativity. These describe worldlines of particles/observers. It is well known that accelerated observer in Minkowski spacetime does not see vacuum but a heat bath, an effect called Unruh Effect. This is because accelerated observers see different quantum vacuum than the stationary/constant-speed observer. However it is not as well-known that, depending on the different behaviors of the curves [which depends on its curvature, torsion and hypertorsions], the spectra that one sees are actually different. See John R. Letaw "Stationary world lines and the vacuum excitation of noninertial detectors" in Phys. Rev. D 23, 1709–1714 (1981). Furthermore, in the paper "http://jmp.aip.org/resource/1/jmapaq/v15/i6/p774_s1?isAuthorized=no" by Eli Honig et al., they relate the curvature, torsion and hypertorsions to combinations of the electric and magnetic fields.
 

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