How are curvature and field strength exactly the same?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between curvature in general relativity and field strength in electromagnetism, particularly in the context of gauge theories. Participants explore the implications of these concepts as presented in a lecture series by Fredric Schuller, questioning the equivalence of curvature and field strength and the differences between the associated Lie groups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a lecture by Fredric Schuller that discusses the relationship between curvature and field strength, noting that Schuller claims they are "exactly" the same.
  • The same participant questions the meaning of "exactly" in this context, highlighting that the electromagnetic field strength tensor is a real-valued object and abelian, while curvature relates to non-abelian Yang-Mills theory.
  • Another participant points out that in the context of general relativity, the field strength corresponds to local Lorentz transformations, while general coordinate transformations manifest differently.
  • The field strength of local translations is mentioned as being related to torsion, which is stated to vanish in general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the equivalence of curvature and field strength, with differing views on the implications of the Lie groups involved and the nature of the field strength in general relativity versus electromagnetism.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of curvature and field strength, particularly regarding the differences between abelian and non-abelian cases, as well as the role of torsion in general relativity.

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I am watching these lecture series by Fredric Schuller.

[Curvature and torsion on principal bundles - Lec 24 - Frederic Schuller][1] @minute 34:00

In this part he discusses the Lie algebra valued one and two forms on the principal bundle that are pulled back to the base manifold.

He shows the relationship between general relativity and electromagnetism in the classical theory.

He emphasize that for instance that the curvature of space-time is exactly the same as the non-abelian Yang-Mills field strength.

It is not clear to me in what sense they are "exactly" the same.

Isn't the physical electromagnetism filed strength tensor a real valued object and abelian?

So is it right to say that in the case of electromagnetism the Lie group U(1) is different from the case of the general relativity Lie group which is GL? Otherwise, curvature and field strength are exactly the same?

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So, the field strength in this (GR) case is the field strength of local Lorentz transformations. The general coordinate transformations show up differently, as the insight above emphasizes. The field strength of the local translations is just the torsion, which in GR vanishes.
 

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