Torsion group, torsion subgroup

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of torsion groups and torsion subgroups, specifically focusing on the group G = Z4 x Z. Participants are exploring the definition of torsion elements and attempting to identify the torsion group T(G) and the factor group G/T(G).

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  • Participants are attempting to define the torsion group and identify elements of G that have finite order. Questions about the nature of torsion and torsion-free groups are raised, along with inquiries about specific examples.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing definitions and examples related to torsion groups. Some have offered insights into the properties of Z4 and Z, while others are seeking clarification on their understanding and the implications of their findings.

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Participants are navigating definitions and properties of groups, with some expressing uncertainty about their background knowledge in the topic. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further exploration of group properties to fully grasp the concepts being discussed.

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if G= Z4 x Z what would be the torsion group T(G)?

and what is the factor group of G/ T(G) ?
 
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What have you tried?
 
the cyclic group <(1,0)> is the torsion group
( (0,0) (1,0) (2,0) (3,0))
?
 
That makes no sense. From the top.. the definition of the torsion T(G) of a group G is by definition the set [itex]T(G)=\{ g\in G : g^n=e\ \mbox{for some n\in\mathbb{N}} \}[/itex] where e denotes the identity element in G. That is to say, it is simply the set of elements that have finite order!

Do you know any group in which every element has finite order? If so, that will be a torsion group.

Do you know any group in which no element other than the identity has finite order? If so, that will be a torsion free group.
 
1. then Q is a torsion free abelian group . true?

2. i was trying to find a set of elements of G= Z4 x Z that has finite order
 
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What do these i) and ii) refer to?
 
i edited the question
 
My post was in reference to question 1. If you can't think of a group in which every element has finite order (respectively one in which no element other than the identity has finite order), think of the groups you know and find T(G) for them.
 
Z4 is a group of finite order
and Z is not
so Z4 is a torsion group, while Z is torsion free, am i on the right track

sorry i do not have a very strong background in this topic and i am teaching myself this so that i can understand more advanced math
thanks a lot for your help
 
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Well you're absolutely right: Z is torsion free since as is well known of anyone, mn=0 (m>0) cannot happen for n other than 0. And Z4 is torsion since every nonzero element in Z4 has order 4.

As for the second question, what have you tried and where are you stuck?
 

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