Total acceleration from angular acceleration

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The problem involves a discus thrower who begins to rotate with a constant angular acceleration, and the goal is to determine the total acceleration of the discus at a specific angular velocity. The subject area pertains to rotational dynamics and circular motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss whether to treat the discus thrower as a rigid body and the implications of this on the calculations. There is a focus on the relationship between angular acceleration and the resulting linear acceleration of the discus, with questions about the relevance of angular velocity in the context of total acceleration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of acceleration, including tangential and radial components. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider both types of acceleration to find the total acceleration of the discus.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the motion of the discus and the role of the thrower, as well as clarifying the definitions and relationships between angular and linear quantities. There is an emphasis on understanding the components of acceleration in circular motion.

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Homework Statement


A discus thrower ( with arm length of 1.2 m) starts from rest and begins to rotate counterclockwise with a constant angular acceleration of 2.5 [rad/s^2]. What is the magnitude of the total acceleration of the discus when its angular velocity is 9.0[rad/s]?

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I'm not really connecting the dots here. Do I treat the discus thrower as a rigid body and give a simple moment of inertia, which I then plug into a torque equation tau = I alpha?

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droidofthevoid said:
Do I treat the discus thrower as a rigid body
Not necessary. The question is interested in the acceleration of the discus, so there is only a need to consider the motion of the discus.
 
JeremyG said:
Not necessary. The question is interested in the acceleration of the discus, so there is only a need to consider the motion of the discus.
So then I treat it as a particle going in a circle and use a = R alpha? Do I neglect the omega= 3.0 rad/s?
 
droidofthevoid said:
o then I treat it as a particle going in a circle and use a = R alpha?
Yes in this case you can treat it as a particle going round in a circle. ##a = r\alpha## will give you what kind of acceleration? As a hint, see the comment below as well.

droidofthevoid said:
omega= 3.0 rad/s?
You mean 9rad/s? No you do not ignore this.
 
JeremyG said:
Yes in this case you can treat it as a particle going round in a circle. ##a = r\alpha## will give you what kind of acceleration? As a hint, see the comment below as well.
It'll give tangential acceleration
 
Yes, the question wants the total acceleration, so that should give you a clue that it is not just tangential acceleration at play here. What else?
 
JeremyG said:
Yes, the question wants the total acceleration, so that should give you a clue that it is not just tangential acceleration at play here. What else?

Well then, I would presume it would have something to do with torque and perhaps treating the thrower as a rigid body? or radial acceleration, which would be omega squared times r.
 
Torque by the thrower is the cause for the tangential acceleration/angular acceleration of the discus. And as mentioned above, the thrower himself need not be considered in this problem.

The discus is traveling in a circular motion, yes? Tangential acceleration is not sufficient to ensure that the discus is traveling in a circular motion, uniform or not. What about considering the radial acceleration?
 

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