Total angular momentum of N identical bosons

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The discussion revolves around the total angular momentum of N identical spin-1 bosons occupying the same spatial orbit. Participants explore the implications of permutation symmetry and the conditions under which total angular momentum values can be defined.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the possible values of total angular momentum for N spin-1 bosons in the same spatial orbit and suggests that permutation group theory may be relevant.
  • Another participant questions the definition of "spatial orbit" and indicates that the total angular momentum must consider the vector sum of individual angular momenta, J_i = S_i + L_i.
  • There is a discussion about the need for a symmetric or antisymmetric total wave function, depending on the parity of the spatial wave function.
  • A participant notes that if the bosons are truly identical, there are restrictions on the values of L_z, specifically that they can only take on values of -1, 0, and 1.
  • Another participant provides a summary of allowed total angular momentum quantum numbers based on whether N is even or odd, referencing a previous thread for more details.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of "spatial orbit" or the implications for total angular momentum. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity in defining "spatial orbit" and the dependence on the specific values of L_z, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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assume that we have N spin-1 bosons all on the same spatial orbit.

The problem is that what values the total angular momentum can be?

I am puzzled by this problem for a long time

maybe a bit permutation group theory is needed?

i guess this type of problem is well solved

Is there any book i can consult?
 
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malawi_glenn said:
You already asked this

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=318451

Define "spatial orbit", you mean they have same L?


You can have

max|J_1 + J_2 + .. J_N | > J_tot > min|J_1 + J_2 + .. J_N |

where J_i = S_i + L_i is vector.

the problem is not so simple

we now treat identical bosons, so the permutation symmetry has to be taken into account
 
that is another question, you asked what the specified angular momentum values was, and that is just clebsh gordon table.

Now you want an entire wave function or what?

Can you answer my question what "spatial orbit" refers, otherwise you will gain no help.

a spatial wf has parity (-1)^L

so if you want a symmetric total wf you must consider only the symmetric, or the antisymmetric spin wf's
 
malawi_glenn said:
that is another question, you asked what the specified angular momentum values was, and that is just clebsh gordon table.

Now you want an entire wave function or what?

Can you answer my question what "spatial orbit" refers, otherwise you will gain no help.

a spatial wf has parity (-1)^L

so if you want a symmetric total wf you must consider only the symmetric, or the antisymmetric spin wf's

okay,assume that all the bosons are in the s wave orbit
 
If they are truly identical (no internal quantum numbers), you can have at most 3 with the same spatial wavefunction, with L_z equal to -1, 0, and 1.

If they are not identical, each boson can have any L_z between -1 and 1.

In each case, total momentum depends on specific values of L_z.
 

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