Total charge from charge density (spherical coordinates)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around applying Gauss' law in both its differential and integral forms to determine charge density and total charge within a spherical region, given an electric field expressed in spherical coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive charge density from the electric field using the differential form of Gauss' law and expresses confusion regarding the integration process in spherical coordinates for total charge.
  • Some participants provide the volume element in spherical coordinates and clarify the notation for the del operator.
  • There is a question raised about the correctness of the integration process and whether the results from different parts of the problem align.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of their calculations and questioning the integration steps. Some guidance has been provided regarding notation and volume elements, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approaches taken.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding the use of the del operator and the integration of charge density in spherical coordinates. There is also a noted concern about the consistency of results between different parts of the problem.

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Homework Statement


In some region of space, the electric field is [itex]\vec{E} =k r^2 \hat{r}[/itex], in spherical coordinates, where k is a constant.
(a) Use Gauss' law (differential form) to find the charge density [itex]\rho (\vec{r})[/itex].

(b) Use Gauss' law (integral form) to find the total charge containted in a sphere of radius R, centered at r=0

(c) Find the total charge contained in a sphere of radius R, centered at r=0 by direct integration of your result for [itex]\rho (\vec{r})[/itex] in (a). Does the answer agree with that in (b)?

The Attempt at a Solution


NOTE: IM USING [itex]\Delta[/itex] as the del operator

Im pretty sure my problems only arise on part (c), but if any error is noticed in the other parts please tell me. Thank you

(a)using [tex]\vec{ \Delta} \bullet \vec{E} = \frac{\rho}{\epsilon_0}[/tex]
rearranging it to solve for [itex]\rho[/itex] i get [tex]\rho = \epsilon( \vec{\Delta} \bullet \vec{E})[/tex] where [tex]\epsilon( \vec{\Delta} \bullet \vec{E}) = \frac{\epsilon_0}{r^2} \frac{d(r^2 k r^2)}{dr}[/tex] which reduces to [tex]\frac{r}{\pi}[/tex]

(b) using [tex]\oint \Delta \bullet d\vec{a} = \frac{Q_e}{\epsilon_0}[/tex] and rearranging to solve for Q_e i get [tex]Q_e=\epsilon_0 \oint \vec{E} \bullet d\vec{a}[/tex], which since the sphere is symmetric about the origin i can do [tex]\epsilon_0 \oint |\vec{E}| d\vec{a}[/tex], which equals [tex]\epsilon_0 k r^2 4\pi R^2[/tex] which reduces to [tex]R^4[/tex] (note: i replaced [itex]r^2[/itex] with [itex]R^2[/itex])

(c) knowing [itex]\rho = \frac{dq}{dV}[/itex] and reorganizing to solve for dq i get [itex]\int dq = \int \rho(\vec{r}) dV[/itex] at this point I am a little confused on how to take the integral with respect to dV in spherical coordinates. I am pretty sure i have to add an [itex]r^2[/itex] in the integrand but I am not sure.
 
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[itex]dV = r^2 \sin(\theta) dr d\theta d\phi[/itex]
 
bfusco said:
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NOTE: IM USING [itex]\Delta[/itex] as the del operator


Don't! To most people,
[tex]\Delta = \nabla^2[/tex]

Since you're using tex, just use \nabla for the del operator.
 
phyzguy said:
Don't! To most people,
[tex]\Delta = \nabla^2[/tex]

Since you're using tex, just use \nabla for the del operator.

lol ok, i didnt know that

test [itex]\nabla[/itex]
 
Bryson said:
[itex]dV = r^2 \sin(\theta) dr d\theta d\phi[/itex]

alright so since non of these variables have any unit vector other than [itex]\hat{r}[/itex] the [itex]r^2 sin\theta =0[/itex] ?? at which point the integral will be [tex]\oint \frac{r}{\pi} dr[/tex]
which is [tex]\frac{r^2}{2\pi}[/tex] which doesn't match part (b), and therefore i am incorrect somewhere.
 

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