Total charge on an insulating sphere

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the total charge on an insulating sphere with a given radial electric field inside the sphere. The context is rooted in electrostatics, specifically applying Gauss's Law to a spherically symmetric charge distribution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up a triple integral in spherical coordinates to find the total charge, but questions their result and considers the possibility of a simpler method.
  • Some participants suggest an alternative approach using a different integral formulation involving the electric field and surface area.
  • There are inquiries about the correctness of the provided values and the calculations leading to discrepancies in results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration method, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach or the correctness of the original poster's calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating in spherical coordinates and questioning the assumptions related to the charge distribution and the application of Gauss's Law. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the original calculations, but no resolution has been reached.

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Homework Statement



A sphere of radius R=0.0850 m is made up of insulating material and has a spherically symmetric charge distribution. The radial component of the electric field inside the sphere is given by:

Er= (-5.20E4) r3, for r ≤ R,

where Er is in N/C when r is in meters and r is the distance from the center of the sphere.

What is the total charge Q on the entire sphere? (Hint: Gauss's Law.)

Homework Equations


Gauss's law:
[tex]\oint E\bullet dA[/tex] =Qencl / epsilon0



The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to set up a triple integral in spherical coords integrating -5.2E4 [tex]\rho[/tex]3[tex]\rho[/tex] sin[tex]\phi[/tex] d[tex]\rho[/tex] d[tex]\phi[/tex]d[tex]\theta[/tex]

(btw, that's supposed to be rho cubed times rho)

from 0<=[tex]\rho[/tex]<=.085, 0<=[tex]\theta[/tex]<=2pi, and 0<=[tex]\phi[/tex]<=pi

When I calculate this and multiply by epsilon, I get: -2.56E-12
which is a power of 10 off from the given answer which is: -2.56E-11

For some reason though, I feel like this is a coincidence and I'm missing something more than a power of ten somewhere. So, does my work seem to be right? If so where am I missing a power of 10 at? And also, I'm thinking there is an easier way to do this problem other than integrating so any insight into that would be great!
Thanks!
 
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I think it's interesting that you chose to use a triple integral. Here's what I would do:

To get the q(inside) all you have to do is integrate E * 4 pi r^2 * epsilon naught * dr. Remember to get the area in terms of dr now and not dA. Try it and see what you get!

**Edit** I've been trying to solve it now with your numbers, and am not getting the value that you listed above (-2.56E-11). At one point I get (-2.56 *10^-17), but that isn't close. Are all the numbers you provided correct?
 
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ltjlogic said:
To get the q(inside) all you have to do is integrate E * 4 pi r^2 * epsilon naught * dr. Remember to get the area in terms of dr now and not dA.
The flux is just E*Area = E(at r = R)*4 pi R^2.
 
Doc Al said:
The flux is just E*Area = E(at r = R)*4 pi R^2.

That did it and is definitely easier than the way that I was trying to compute the answer, thanks!

And ltjlogic, your idea was what I had actually tried first. I'm not entirely sure why it doesn't work but I'm assuming it has something to with the fact the its measuring the charge on a line from the center of the sphere to r. Phi and theta are needed to complete the entire sphere. Not entirely sure on this reasoning though. Thanks for your suggestion.
 

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