Total magnification of microscope

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the total magnification of a microscope setup that includes a video system. Participants explore the contributions of the objective lens, eyepiece, and additional lenses in determining the final magnification observed on a video screen. The scope includes technical explanations and conceptual clarifications regarding optical systems in microscopy.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether to include the eyepiece magnification when calculating total video magnification, given that the video system uses a beam splitter.
  • Another participant argues that if the camera is attached directly to the microscope and not through the eyepiece, the eyepiece magnification should not be included in the total magnification calculation.
  • Some participants suggest that the magnification at the sensor is a product of the objective magnification and any magnification from relay optics, but the final image size on the screen depends on additional factors like monitor size and distance.
  • There is a suggestion to measure a known sample size to determine the actual pixel representation on the video system.
  • A later reply confirms that the eyepiece does not affect the total video magnification, but the relay lenses may contribute some magnification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the eyepiece does not influence the total video magnification when the camera is built into the microscope. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the role of relay lenses and how they contribute to the overall magnification.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of checking the microscope manual for specific details about the relay optics and their magnification effects, indicating that assumptions about the system's configuration may vary.

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I have a small question. I am using coumpound microscope with video attaced and I got using 40X times objective and 10X eyepiece that my magnification on video screen is 1000 times.I know that between eyepeace and video system where is a beam splitter and between beam splitter and video screen there is one more lense which gives additional magnification.So my question is :if I got 1000 total video magnification it was from 40(objectives)x10(eyepiece)and 2,5(additional lense between beam splitter and video system)
or it was from 40(objectives)x25(additional lense between beam splitter and video system)?
I am not sure when I use video system that I have to add eyepiece multiplication or not.Please help me!
 
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You can't really quote a magnification for an image forming system in this way.

If the video system is fitted directly to the microscope then it doesn't go through the eyepiece, the maker should have specified a magnification of the relay optics which gives you the magnifiction from the sample to the video chip - it might quote this in pixel size.
Once it's in the camera the magnification doesn't really mean anything - it would depend on the size of the monitor and how far away you are standing.
Can you put a sample of a known size in the microscope an measure how many pixels that is?
 
I see you did not understand my question .You see I know that my magnification on computer screen is 1000 times final .This I found out using Image J.What I am interested is do I have to include magnification of eyepiece which is 10x calculating total video magnification or I shouldn't do this and that makes 40objective x 25xadditional lense between beam splitter and video system.
Somehow I believe that I shouldn't include eyepiece because light which comes from objectives is divided by prism into two separete beams one for eyepiece and one for video.And eyepiece magnification should not affect total video magnification.Am I right?Please confirm someone.
 
Is the camera attached to the eyepiece or is a builtin system?
If it's built into the body of the microscope with a beamsplitter then the light never goes through the eyepiece, there will be a separate lens system to relay the image from the objective to the camera, this may or may not have any magnification.
So the magnification at the sensor is objective mag * camera mag, but that is the size of the image on the chip - the size of the image on the screen depends on the screen and any digital zoom etc.

It's really incorrect to talk about magnification for any system that forms an image
 
mgb_phys said:
Is the camera attached to the eyepiece or is a builtin system?
If it's built into the body of the microscope with a beamsplitter then the light never goes through the eyepiece, there will be a separate lens system to relay the image from the objective to the camera, this may or may not have any magnification.
So the magnification at the sensor is objective mag * camera mag, but that is the size of the image on the chip - the size of the image on the screen depends on the screen and any digital zoom etc.

It's really incorrect to talk about magnification for any system that forms an image

The camera is built in the microscope not to an eyepiece. But video camera is not producing any magnification just transfering image to computer.That produces mahnification is objective and some aditional lense between prism(beam splitter) and video device.
I was asking if eyepiece do some influence on total video magnification.I think no but I need someone to confirm me
 
No the eyepiece doesn't have any effect - but the relay lenses might have some magnification. Check the manual
 

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