Total multiplicity is product of individual multiplicities?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of total multiplicity in statistical mechanics, specifically in the context of independent systems in equilibrium. Participants explore the relationship between individual multiplicities of systems and their combined multiplicity, using examples such as harmonic oscillators and dice.

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  • One participant seeks a proof or explanation of how the total multiplicity is the product of individual multiplicities for independent systems.
  • Another participant explains that for each microstate of one oscillator, there are multiple microstates of the other oscillator, leading to a total multiplicity calculated as the product of individual multiplicities.
  • A further example is provided using dice, illustrating that the total number of states for two independent dice is the product of the states of each die.
  • A participant inquires about the terminology associated with this principle.
  • It is clarified that the principle is referred to as statistical independence, with a mathematical formulation relating probabilities and multiplicities.

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Participants generally agree on the principle that total multiplicity for independent systems is the product of individual multiplicities. However, the discussion does not resolve any deeper implications or applications of this principle.

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The discussion does not address potential limitations or assumptions underlying the concept of statistical independence or the specific conditions under which the multiplicity product holds.

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Hi, I was looking for a proof or explanation of this. From Schroeder's Thermal Physics, pg 56, explaining interacting systems in equilibrium.

The example in the text is two 3-harmonic oscillators with a total of 6 units of energy. So one macrostate is where each has 3 units of energy. The individual multiplicity of each is 10, but the total multiplicity is 100 when considered together (10*10).

The explanation is "because the systems are independent of each other." I know there is something from introductory combinatorics which explains this (which is why he went no further), but I myself don't know.

Any help?
 
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For each microstate of the first oscillator, there are 10 microstates of the other oscillator, so there are 10 microstates of the oscillator-pair given that the first one is in a particular microstate.

Since there are 10 pair microstates for each microstate of the first oscillator, and there are 10 microstates of the first oscillator, there are 100 total microstates for the pair.
 
Yes, if the system are independent the total multiplicity is the product of the individual multiplicity. Example: one die has 6 possible states [1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6] and two dice have 6X6=36 states [(1,1); (1,2); (1,3); (1,4); (1,5); (1,6); (2,1); (2,2); (2,3); (2,4); (2,5); (2,6); (3,1); (3,2); (3,3); (3,4); (3,5); (3,6); (4,1); (4,2); (4,3); (4,4); (4,5); (4,6); (5,1); (5,2); (5,3); (5,4); (5,5); (5,6); (6,1); (6,2); (6,3); (6,4); (6,5); (6,6)].
 
Hi, that makes sense. Is there a name for this rule?
 
It's generally referred to as statistical independence. If two systems together have a specific probability distribution [itex]P(X_{i},Y_{j})[/itex]for each being in given microstates [itex]X_{i}[/itex]and [itex]Y_{j}[/itex] respectively, and these two systems are statistically independent of one another, then the probabilities will factor out.
[itex]P(X_{i},Y_{j}) = P(X_{i})P(Y_{j})[/itex]

Where these probabilities are ratios of multiplicities:
[itex]P(X_{i})=\frac{\Omega(X_{i})}{\Omega_{total}}[/itex], [itex]P(Y_{j})=\frac{\Omega(Y_{j})}{\Omega_{total}}[/itex], [itex]P(X_{i},Y_{j})=\frac{\Omega(X_{i},Y_{j})}{\Omega_{total}}[/itex]
If the probabilities factor, than so do the multiplicities.

If [itex]P(X_{i},Y_{j}) = P(X_{i})P(Y_{j})[/itex]
then [itex]\Omega(X_{i},Y_{j}) = \Omega(X_{i})\Omega(Y_{j})[/itex]
 

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