Total Solar Energy Rejected in Tints

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Total Solar Energy Rejected (TSER) values of different window tints and their perceived clarity under varying lighting conditions. Participants explore the relationship between tint darkness, TSER values, and visibility during the day and night, as well as the technology behind tints that change opacity based on light exposure.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the Charcoal 22 tint has a higher TSER value of 55% compared to the NR Smoke 20's 37%, yet appears clearer, prompting questions about the relationship between TSER and visible clarity.
  • Another participant suggests that the Charcoal 22 may be rejecting more infrared light, which could contribute to its higher TSER value.
  • There is a query regarding the role of infrared versus visible light in contributing to heat, with participants discussing the wavelengths involved in thermal heating.
  • A participant raises a question about why some tints appear darker during the day but similar at night, seeking a technical explanation for this phenomenon.
  • One participant proposes that tints work by blocking a percentage of incoming light, regardless of the light source's intensity, which may explain the perceived similarity at night.
  • Another participant mentions the possibility of tints that automatically darken in bright light and lighten in the absence of it, likening it to photochromic lenses used in eyeglasses.
  • There is a discussion about the existence of such technology in window tints and how to find it, with one participant identifying the term "photochromic lenses" as related to this technology.
  • A later reply notes that photochromic lenses may lose their effectiveness over time and do not darken as much as initially intended.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between TSER values and perceived clarity, as well as the factors contributing to heat from various wavelengths. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the technical explanations for the visibility of tints under different lighting conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the complexity of light interaction with materials and the potential for varying performance based on environmental conditions, but do not reach a consensus on specific mechanisms or technologies.

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Total Solar Energy Rejected (TSER) = The percentage of total solar energy rejected by filmed glass. The higher this value, the less solar heat is transmitted.

Here is something puzzling. I bought two tints to try on windows. The lower one on the left (NR Smoke 20) has Total Solar Energy Rejected value of 37% while the one 2nd to the top of right (Charcoal 22) has Total Solar Energy Rejected value of 55%. When I tried them. The Charcoal 22 is lighter and you can see the outside more clearly. but it has higher Total Solar Energy Rejected value of 55% versus the NR Smoke 20 which is darker but lower TSER value of 37%.

Total Solar Energy Rejected value is based on the visible, UV and IR filtering values. So the higher it is. The less is the light passing through so the higher is the value it should be darker, yet in actual it is clearer.

Can anyone explains why?

Thank you.
 
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Perhaps the Charcoal 22 is rejecting much more infrared than the NR Smoke 20?
 
Drakkith said:
Perhaps the Charcoal 22 is rejecting much more infrared than the NR Smoke 20?

You have a point. Infrared is related to heat (as in thermal imagers). But is infrared the sole contributor of heat and not visible light. What nanometers in wavelength are involved in the heat of normal objects?
 
Here is something unexplained that I'm figuring out. What is the explanation where some tints were dark looking at daytime yet at night is clearer? Actually I have bought both NR Smoke 20 and Charcoal 22 in my windows. The supplier told me I can get 50% discount if I would replace it in my windows since it was just installed 3 days ago. What can make me decide is the technical explanation of visibility of tint at daytime with sun based light versus night time with city light.
 
Here is the great puzzle:

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Tint 1 is darker at daytime compared to Tint 2 as you can clearly see. But at nightime. The scenes or brightness outside look the same. One expects Tint 1 to be darker at night. So why are they similar at night?
 
new6ton said:
You have a point. Infrared is related to heat (as in thermal imagers). But is infrared the sole contributor of heat and not visible light. What nanometers in wavelength are involved in the heat of normal objects?

No, IR is not the sole contributor of heat, but it makes up a significant portion of the incoming solar radiation. In reality, all wavelengths contribute to thermal heating. This includes UV and visible light.

new6ton said:
What is the explanation where some tints were dark looking at daytime yet at night is clearer?

The only way that I know of is to make your tint out of something that automatically darkens when exposed to bright light, and goes clear when that light is missing. Like the tint in eyeglasses that darken when you go outside and lighten when you come back in.

new6ton said:
Tint 1 is darker at daytime compared to Tint 2 as you can clearly see. But at nightime. The scenes or brightness outside look the same. One expects Tint 1 to be darker at night. So why are they similar at night?

Tints and other filters usually work by blocking out a percentage of the incoming light, regardless of the intensity of the light source. So both the Sun and a streetlight may be cut down by, say, 50%. However, at night, your light sources are generally MUCH dimmer than the Sun. If one tint cuts down the light by 50% and another by 40%, then that difference may not be noticeable because the light sources are already so dim.

Imagine you're holding two weights, one in each hand. One is 100 lbs and one is 50 lbs. You can clearly tell that the 100 lb weight is the heavier one. However, if we reduce the weights to, say, 1/10 lb and 1/20 lb, it becomes very difficult to tell which weight is heavier because the absolute difference between them is very small even though the larger weight is twice as heavy as the smaller in both cases.

The same might be true for your tints. The light sources at night are already so dim that both tints may seem to be similar, even though one tint might be 10% darker than another. But that's mostly a guess on my part.
 
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Drakkith said:
No, IR is not the sole contributor of heat, but it makes up a significant portion of the incoming solar radiation. In reality, all wavelengths contribute to thermal heating. This includes UV and visible light.
The only way that I know of is to make your tint out of something that automatically darkens when exposed to bright light, and goes clear when that light is missing. Like the tint in eyeglasses that darken when you go outside and lighten when you come back in.

Is this an existing technology in window tints where it darkens when exposed to bright light, and goes clear when sun light based photons are missing? Where can I find these? What terms are these that I can find in googles?
 
I don't know about window tints, but the technology in eyeglasses is called photochromic lenses (marketed as transition lenses). I'm afraid that's about the extent of my knowledge on the subject.
 
Drakkith said:
but the technology in eyeglasses is called photochromic lenses (marketed as transition lenses).
The drawback is they lose their activity over a period of a few years and don't darken as much.
 
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