Total work done while pushing a wheelchair

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total work done while pushing a wheelchair, specifically focusing on the forces involved and the interpretation of "total work done." The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, particularly work, energy, and friction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the distinction between using applied force versus net force to calculate work done. There is also discussion on the role of static versus kinetic friction in the context of rolling wheels and the implications for energy loss.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the formulation of the problem and the assumptions made regarding forces. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of work done in terms of changes in kinetic energy, although no consensus has been reached on the best approach.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the phrasing of "total work done," which has led to varied interpretations among participants. The effective coefficient of friction and the conditions under which the wheelchair is pushed are also under consideration.

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Homework Statement
A person in a wheelchair (a total mass of 100 kg) is pushed from rest to a
speed of 2.0 m/s . If the effective coefficient of friction is 0.05 and the
distance moved is 15 m, what is the total work done?
Relevant Equations
##v^2 = u^2 +2as##
## F = ma ##
##f = \mu_k N##
##W = Fs##
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Taking v = 2m/s, u=0m/s and s = 15m, we get
##a=0.13m/s^2##
##F_g = mg = 100(9.8) = 980N##
Since there's no vertical acceleration, the normal force is equal to the weight
##N = 980N##

##f = \mu_k N = 0.05(980) = 49N##
##F_{net} = ma = 100(0.13) = 13N##
##F_{app} = F_{net}+f = 62N##

My question is, is my work done the applied force by the distance or the net force by the distance. I'm a little unsure of it.
 
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TheBigDig said:
My question is, is my work done the applied force by the distance or the net force by the distance. I'm a little unsure of it.
Good question! It's not clear which force to assume.

The other thing is that wheels when rolling work by static friction, so technically there is no relevant coefficient of kinetic friction and no energy loss to kinetic friction. Instead, there will be some rolling resistance. To see the difference, compare pushing the wheelchair normally (low rolling resistance) and pushing the wheelchair when it has the wheels locked by the brakes (high kinetic friction - to the point where the wheelchair is perhaps immovable with someone in it and the wheels locked).

This is perhaps overall a bad question.
 
TheBigDig said:
Homework Statement:: A person in a wheelchair (a total mass of 100 kg) is pushed from rest to a
speed of 2.0 m/s . If the effective coefficient of friction is 0.05 and the
distance moved is 15 m, what is the total work done?
Relevant Equations:: ##v^2 = u^2 +2as##
## F = ma ##
##f = \mu_k N##
##W = Fs##

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Taking v = 2m/s, u=0m/s and s = 15m, we get
##a=0.13m/s^2##
##F_g = mg = 100(9.8) = 980N##
Since there's no vertical acceleration, the normal force is equal to the weight
##N = 980N##

##f = \mu_k N = 0.05(980) = 49N##
##F_{net} = ma = 100(0.13) = 13N##
##F_{app} = F_{net}+f = 62N##

My question is, is my work done the applied force by the distance or the net force by the distance. I'm a little unsure of it.
One critcism of your solution is that you had to assume constant acceleration in order to use the SUVAT formulas. Instead, the gain in KE of the wheelchair tells you the work done to accelerate it without considering the applied force or acceleration profile at all. Likewise, the effective friction force times the distance would have given you the negative work done by friction.
 
I agree that it is a badly formulated question because of the vagueness of the "total work done". I assumed that it must be the sum of all the works done by the external forces on the wheelchair and the person. If that interpretation is correct, then the only consideration that matters is the change in kinetic energy.
 
PeroK said:
Good question! It's not clear which force to assume.

The other thing is that wheels when rolling work by static friction, so technically there is no relevant coefficient of kinetic friction and no energy loss to kinetic friction. Instead, there will be some rolling resistance. To see the difference, compare pushing the wheelchair normally (low rolling resistance) and pushing the wheelchair when it has the wheels locked by the brakes (high kinetic friction - to the point where the wheelchair is perhaps immovable with someone in it and the wheels locked).

This is perhaps overall a bad question.
kuruman said:
I agree that it is a badly formulated question because of the vagueness of the "total work done". I assumed that it must be the sum of all the works done by the external forces on the wheelchair and the person. If that interpretation is correct, then the only consideration that matters is the change in kinetic energy.
Thank you very much for these answers, I will consider change in KE instead
 

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