Tracer concentration + effective residence time for a basin

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around measuring the effective residence time of K+ ions in a basin-like structure with a single feedstream and effluent. Participants explore methods for calculating tracer concentration and address issues related to data collection and interpretation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the setup involving a basin with K+ ions and the intention to measure effective residence time using potassium carbonate or potassium chloride as tracers.
  • The participant expresses confusion over the discrepancy between expected and detected K+ ion concentrations after injecting a known amount of tracer.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the problem in terms of concentrations and applying a step function perturbation to analyze the relaxation rate.
  • A different participant requests a graph of concentration versus time and questions the accuracy of the flow rates, emphasizing the need for inflow and outflow consistency.
  • A later reply indicates that the original poster resolved their issue by integrating concentration and flow rate data to determine mean flow rate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on how to approach the problem, with some participants providing suggestions while the original poster navigates their confusion. There is no consensus on the initial issues raised, but a resolution is noted by the original poster.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in data collection methods, assumptions about flow rates, and the integration of concentration over time, which remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers or students involved in environmental engineering, chemical engineering, or any field requiring tracer studies and residence time analysis may find this discussion relevant.

maistral
Messages
235
Reaction score
17
I'm very sorry for the lengthy post. I'm actually not sure as to how to deal with this as this is the first time I've been assigned to these kinds of problems; I need to be sure. Thanks in advance.

So I have this large basin-like structure whose water naturally has K+ ions dissolved in it; let's call this constant A. This basin only has one stream as the feedstream and another one for the effluent. I wanted to measure the effective residence time for this "basin" which I think I can deal with alone.

So I intended to use something like potassium carbonate or potassium chloride to measure the effective residence time. I injected around 0.005 kilomoles of potassium carbonate (so that's around 0.01 kilomoles of K+ ions). My problems began from here actually.
  1. My sensor detects K+ ions. Obviously, it would detect a gradual increase, then a decrease (typical reactor RTD). What I initially thought is that if I subtract the number of K+ ions initially from the dataset of K+ ions I have generated from the effluent's sensor (basically subtracting the constant A from the entire dataset), and I would add all these values, I should be getting the total 0.01 kilomoles of K+ ions detected by the tracer. This did not happen (I mean, I did not get all of the 0.01 kmols of K+ ions). Where could have they run off to? After subtracting initial K+ ion concentration A from the dataset and adding all of the values I ended up detecting around 0.0003 kmols of K+ ions only.
  2. (Connected to #1) For curiosity's sake I wanted to take the recovery of potassium carbonate. Is it still 0.0003/0.01 * 100 = 3%? Is this even realistic? Or am I doing something wrong; and there is a different formula for this?
Thanks for reading this lengthy post. I hope someone can answer as I'm at a total loss.
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
If you rewrite the problem in terms of concentrations, apply a step function perturbation of the concentration, watch the relaxation rate, ... hmmm?
 
Let’s see a graph of your conc vs time. Are you sure you are using the correct flow rate in and out? Does the outflow match the inflow?
 
Ah, I figured out that I have to integrate the concentration vs. time then multiply it to the measured flowrate. I'll have to integrate the flowrate vs time as well to get the mean flow rate.

I resolved the issue. Thanks!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
5K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
8
Views
5K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
8K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
7K