Tracing back an electromagnetic wave to its source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the problem of tracing back an electromagnetic wave to its source, specifically in the context of solutions to Maxwell's equations in vacuum. Participants explore the requirements for identifying the charge or current system that generates a given electromagnetic wave, considering various conditions and constraints.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to determine the charge/current system that creates a wave given only a solution to Maxwell's equations in vacuum.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for additional information, such as boundary conditions and the context of the electromagnetic fields (e.g., whether they are in free space or a waveguide).
  • A participant notes that if the fields are source-free, then by definition, there are no charges or currents present.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the nature of the boundary conditions and their significance in tracing the source of the electromagnetic fields.
  • One participant suggests that knowing the fields on a closed surface surrounding the source could allow for the determination of an equivalent multipole source that produces the same fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of the information provided to trace back the source of the electromagnetic wave. There is no consensus on what additional information is necessary or how it impacts the ability to identify the source.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific boundary conditions and the dependence on the context in which the electromagnetic fields exist, which remains unresolved in the discussion.

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Suppose you have a solution to the Maxwell's equations in vacuum, and now you want to find what kind of charge/current system create the wave in the first place, can this be done?
 
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andresB said:
Suppose you have a solution to the Maxwell's equations in vacuum, and now you want to find what kind of charge/current system create the wave in the first place, can this be done?

You have not given sufficient information. All you've given is that the medium is a vacuum. You have not described the boundary conditions, and the relative size of the EM wavelengths to any confined space (i.e. if this is in a waveguide).

Zz.
 
I only have a vector function E and a vector function B that satisfy all the source-free Maxwell's equations.
 
And if that is not enough, then how much more information is required?
 
If it is source-free/vacuum then by definition there are no charges or currents.
 
andresB said:
And if that is not enough, then how much more information is required?

I've just told you! The nature of the boundary conditions! Are these E and B fields solved in a waveguide? In free space? And if there is a boundary, what kind of a boundary is it?

For example, if you are given a standing wave in a waveguide, then I don't see how you can have the ability to trace where the "source" is.

Zz.
 
If you know the fields everywhere on a closed surface that surrounds the source, then you can solve for an equivalent multipole source that produces the same fields as the real source.
 

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