Train Motion Homework: Review Criteria & Find Solution

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a bullet train along a 1500-meter segment, focusing on the criteria for its acceleration, speed, and time to cover the distance. The original poster is tasked with reviewing a proposed motion function and determining its compliance with specified constraints.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the proposed function for the train's motion and its derivatives to assess compliance with velocity and acceleration criteria. There are attempts to derive new functions that meet the criteria, with some participants expressing confusion over the relationship between the different equations and their implications.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring various function forms and derivatives. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of piecewise functions and the need for continuity at transition points. There is an ongoing examination of the criteria and how different functions may or may not satisfy them.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention constraints such as the requirement for the train to start at rest, not exceed certain speed and acceleration limits, and cover the distance within a specified time. There is also a note that the group is early in their studies, which may limit their familiarity with certain concepts.

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Homework Statement


You are an engineer working for a new interstate bullet train start-up company. Your manager, Saul Enderman, is charged with designing the first 1500-meter-long segment of a new train line. (Another team is in charge of designing the remaining segments of the line.) During this initial segment of track, the trains must meet the following criteria:
The train must start at the station at rest (velocity = 0).
The train’s speed must not exceed 24 m/s.
The train’s acceleration must not exceed 1 m/s2.
The train must cover the 1500-meter-long segment in less than 2 minutes (120 seconds).
Your manager has decided that the train’s motion should be described by the function x(t)=0.0011 m/s^3 t^3, where x is the train’s position along the track (with x=0 being the starting position at the station) and t is the amount of time since the train has left the station (with t=0 being the starting time at which the train leaves the station).
Your job is to review your boss’s proposed function and determine which of the above criteria it successfully meets and which it fails to meet. (Hint: It fails at least one.) If your boss’s proposed function fails any of the criteria, propose another function that meets all four criteria. Explain how you reviewed your boss’s function and your function and determined their successes or failures.


Homework Equations


x(t)=0.0011 m/s^3 t^3
or maybe 1500msin^2(pi*t/240s)


The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to do this using higher and lower power terms and have failed both times. I am so lost at this point
 
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Eblack904 said:

Homework Statement


You are an engineer working for a new interstate bullet train start-up company. Your manager, Saul Enderman, is charged with designing the first 1500-meter-long segment of a new train line. (Another team is in charge of designing the remaining segments of the line.) During this initial segment of track, the trains must meet the following criteria:
The train must start at the station at rest (velocity = 0).
The train’s speed must not exceed 24 m/s.
The train’s acceleration must not exceed 1 m/s2.
The train must cover the 1500-meter-long segment in less than 2 minutes (120 seconds).
Your manager has decided that the train’s motion should be described by the function x(t)=0.0011 m/s^3 t^3, where x is the train’s position along the track (with x=0 being the starting position at the station) and t is the amount of time since the train has left the station (with t=0 being the starting time at which the train leaves the station).
Your job is to review your boss’s proposed function and determine which of the above criteria it successfully meets and which it fails to meet. (Hint: It fails at least one.) If your boss’s proposed function fails any of the criteria, propose another function that meets all four criteria. Explain how you reviewed your boss’s function and your function and determined their successes or failures.


Homework Equations


x(t)=0.0011 m/s^3 t^3
or maybe 1500msin^2(pi*t/240s)


The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to do this using higher and lower power terms and have failed both times. I am so lost at this point

The question is about being about to answer questions about the speed and acceleration of the train knowing x(t). It's not complicated. The velocity is the derivative of x(t) and the acceleration is the derivative of the velocity. You know that much I hope. You should at least be able to start. Handling the last question doesn't even require knowing that. Just try?
 
Dick said:
The question is about being about to answer questions about the speed and acceleration of the train knowing x(t). It's not complicated. The velocity is the derivative of x(t) and the acceleration is the derivative of the velocity. You know that much I hope. You should at least be able to start. Handling the last question doesn't even require knowing that. Just try?

I have been working on this for a few days. The issue is not that it is hard to take the derivatives of the function i was given. The issue is that whenever i find a new equation to satisfy one criteria, it fails another.
 
Eblack904 said:
I have been working on this for a few days. The issue is not that it is hard to take the derivatives of the function i was given. The issue is that whenever i find a new equation to satisfy one criteria, it fails another.

Not sure I see what the problem is. Start with the first question. Is the velocity zero at t=0? What's your expression for the velocity v(t)?
 
Dick said:
Not sure I see what the problem is. Start with the first question. Is the velocity zero at t=0? What's your expression for the velocity v(t)?

Velocity is 0 at t =0. my function is V(t) = .0033m/s^3 t^2. which then fails the velocity at 120 seconds. And when i start to change any of the coefficients it just gets worse. I have even tried it in this format v(t) = 3at^2-2bt
 
Eblack904 said:
Velocity is 0 at t =0. my function is V(t) = .0033m/s^3 t^2. which then fails the velocity at 120 seconds. And when i start to change any of the coefficients it just gets worse. I have even tried it in this format v(t) = 3at^2-2bt

Ah, I see what's making it hard. It is a little tricky to do it that way. How about taking a simple approach. Just accelerate at 1m/s^2 for 24 seconds. Then stop accelerating.
 
Dick said:
Ah, I see what's making it hard. It is a little tricky to do it that way. How about taking a simple approach. Just accelerate at 1m/s^2 for 24 seconds. Then stop accelerating.

Well someone helped me come up with a piecewise function. which reads

x(t) = (0m/s)t+1/2(1m/s^2)t^2 if 0≤t≤24
(24m/s)(t-24) if t≥24

However they could not really explain to me how they got that. They said something about equation of motion and constant acceleration. but we haven't learned any equations of motion yet. we are only in our second week.
 
Eblack904 said:
Well someone helped me come up with a piecewise function. which reads

x(t) = (0m/s)t+1/2(1m/s^2)t^2 if 0≤t≤24
(24m/s)(t-24) if t≥24

However they could not really explain to me how they got that. They said something about equation of motion and constant acceleration. but we haven't learned any equations of motion yet. we are only in our second week.

That's pretty much what I was suggesting. For the first 24 seconds v(t)=(1m/s^2)t and a(t)=(1m/s^2). You get the first piece by just starting from a(t)=(1m/s^2) and working backwards. And the second piece isn't quite right. x(24) should be the same number on both pieces, shouldn't it?
 
Dick said:
That's pretty much what I was suggesting. For the first 24 seconds v(t)=(1m/s^2)t and a(t)=(1m/s^2). You get the first piece by just starting from a(t)=(1m/s^2) and working backwards. And the second piece isn't quite right. x(24) should be the same number on both pieces, shouldn't it?

I don't think so. it should be x(120). so x(24) for first part and then x(120-24) for the second piece right?
 
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Eblack904 said:
I don't think so. it should be x(120). so x(24) for first part and then x(120-24) for the second piece right?

I'm not sure I see why. I'm just saying that if you graph the first piece for 0<=x<=24 and the second part for 24<=x<=120, they should have the same value at x=24. The train can't suddenly jump from one to another.
 

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