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The discussion revolves around transforming a set of equations involving variables x and y into a matrix form. The equations include terms with trigonometric functions and a denominator that complicates the separation of variables.

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  • Participants explore the possibility of using substitutions to simplify the equations, such as defining new variables p and q based on x and y. There are attempts to manipulate the equations to isolate x and y, particularly focusing on the denominator's structure.

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Some participants have provided suggestions for substitutions and transformations, while others express uncertainty about the next steps. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the original variables in terms of the new ones, with no clear consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the equations, including the role of the variable f and the implications of the trigonometric functions involved. There is an acknowledgment of the challenge in separating the variables due to the structure of the denominator.

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I have the following equations:

[tex]x* = C\frac{(xcos(t)+ysin(t))/cos(s)}{f-xtan(s)cos(t)-ytan(s)sin(t)}[/tex]

[tex]y* = C\frac{-xsin(t)+ycos(t)}{f-xtan(s)cos(t)-ytan(s)sin(t)}[/tex]

I want to transform it into a matrix so that the x and y are separated.

I can easily separate the numerator. But I'm having trouble separating the denominator. I tried to do it using partial fraction, but I don't know what to do with the f. I got as far as taking tan(s) out.

[tex]f-xtan(s)cos(t)-ytan(s)sin(t) = f-tan(s)(xcos(t)-ysin(t))[/tex]

I don't even know where to start.
 
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Hi sourlemon! :wink:

(I haven't actually tried this, but …)

does it help if you rotate, and put p = xcos(t) + ysin(t), q = ycos(t) - xsin(t)? :smile:
 
thank you for your quick response tim. I don't exactly understand what you mean though. As you said, if I set the variable to p and q, I would have the following.

[tex]x* = C\frac{p/cos(s)}{f-tan(s)(p)}[/tex]

[tex]y* = C\frac{q}{f-tan(s)(p)}[/tex]

But how would that help me extract x and y out of the equation with the denominator being f-tan(s)p. This is the result I want. (I don't know how to write matrix in here, so I'll write it in MATLAB format, hopefully you'll understand.)

[x*; y*] = [matrix] [x; y]
 
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Hi sourlemon! :wink:

(again, I haven't tried it, but …)

the next step would be finding p* and q* (and maybe tidying a bit by multiplying top and bottom by cos(s)) :smile:
 
thank you again for your quick response tim. You don't have to worry about it working or not, I'm just happy you're pointing me to a direction. I hope you won't lose your patience with me as I'm slow with this. But can I ask what is p* and q*?

[tex]x* = \frac{Cp}{fcos(s)-tan(s)(p)cos(s)}[/tex]

[tex]y* = \frac{Cq}{f-tan(s)(p)}[/tex]
 
sourlemon said:
thank you again for your quick response tim. You don't have to worry about it working or not, I'm just happy you're pointing me to a direction. I hope you won't lose your patience with me as I'm slow with this. But can I ask what is p* and q*?

Sure! We defined p = xcos(t) + ysin(t), q = ycos(t) - xsin(t),

so p* = x*cos(t) + y*sin(t), q* = y*cos(t) - x*sin(t). :smile:
 
Thank you tim. So now do I substitute x* and y* in terms of p* and q*?

Tim, is this a special type of substitution? Is there an example that I can see?
 
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To get p*, just multiply the equation for x* by cos(t), and the equation for y* by sin(t), and add.

And similarly to get q*.
 
Thank you again for your patience, Tim :) Hopefully I followed your instruction correctly. This is what I got for p* and q*.

[tex]p* = \frac{Cpcos(t) + Cqsin(t)cos(s)}{cos(s)(f-tan(s)(p))}[/tex]

[tex]q* = \frac{Cqcos(t)cos(s) - CPsin(t)}{cos(s)(f-tan(s)(p))}[/tex]


And if I multiply the cos(s)

[tex]p* = \frac{Cpcos(t) + Cqsin(t)cos(s)}{fcos(s)-psin(s)}[/tex]

[tex]q* = \frac{Cqcos(t)cos(s) - Cpsin(t)}{fcos(s)-psin(s)}[/tex]

So what do I do next?
 

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