Transformer for CDI ignition power supply

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The discussion centers on retrofitting a motorcycle with a modern CDI ignition system that requires a high voltage AC source. The motorcycle's existing permanent magnet alternator features two 6V stators wired in parallel, raising the question of whether a transformer can convert this to a ~300V output for the CDI. Key components involved include a rectifier, capacitor, and thyristor, which are essential for capturing and storing the high voltage pulse generated by the CDI. Experimentation with a small transformer and rectifier is suggested to determine feasibility.

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I have an old motorcycle which I would like to fit with a modern CDI ignition.

The ignition would be of the type typically fitted to dirt bikes and which require a high voltage AC source. They have a permanent magnet alternator with a separate high voltage stator for the ignition in addition to a 12V stator.
My bike has a permanent magnet alternator which contains two 6V stators wired in parallel. I am wondering if it is possible to use a transformer to provide a ~300V source from the stock alternator to power the CDI. I could dedicate one of the stators to the ignition if necessary.
Is providing the high voltage supply as simple as this or am I missing something? Is there any specific type of transformer or characteristics/features I would need?
 
mynode said:
Is providing the high voltage supply as simple as this or am I missing something? Is there any specific type of transformer or characteristics/features I would need?

It'd be easy to say "Sure a 6 to 300 transformer is all you need"
but we don't really know if that'd work.

The CDI's i have encountered indeed make a few hundred volts DC from a coil
but it's not continuous wave like your housepower from a wall socket
it's a single pulse every time the magnet passes by the CDI's supply coil
which they capture with a rectifier and store with a capacitor
then deliver to the coil using a thyristor at the proper time to fire the sparkplug.
Rectifier, capacitor and thyristor are inside the "Power Pack" usually a sealed and potted plastic box that you can't open.
You probably knew that already...
In outboards it's a winding on the stator , often but not always one winding for each cylinder.
The coil is just like a charging coil but with more turns
and
the coil is physically located so as to charge the capacitor slightly before the CDI needs to make use of that charge,
In other words so magnet passes coil before TDC + timing advance .

Do you have any electrical knowledge ?
Would it be within your ability to experiment -
connect a small transformer, rectifier and capacitor to one of your 6 volt coils,
and see if it'll capture a couple hundred volts when you kick over the motor?

A small transformer from a wall-wart might work..
Maybe you could rewind one of those charging coils for high voltage.

That's the closest i can come to an answer.

Can you post a photo? And DC resistance of those charge windings? And open circuit voltage at around 3000 RPM ?

PS it's not a '60's British bike is it? Old BSA's positioned the magnets and charge coils so you can use a huge capacitor instead of a battery . Racers liked that.
My '56 Enfield had a magneto...

old jim
 

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