Transformers: Uniform magnetic filed in relation to current flow

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to transformers and the behavior of current in a loop within a uniform magnetic field when the field is suddenly turned off. Participants are exploring the implications of Faraday's law and Lenz's law in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between magnetic flux and induced current, questioning the direction of the change in flux when the magnetic field is removed. There is a focus on the conceptual understanding of how changes in the magnetic field influence current flow.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the nature of magnetic flux and its relationship to induced current, while others express confusion about visualizing the direction of change in flux. The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the implications of the magnetic field's collapse.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of numerical values in the problem, which may contribute to the difficulty in conceptualizing the changes in flux and current direction. There is also a recognition that the behavior of the system is particularly relevant during the transition period when the magnetic field is changing.

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Homework Statement


In our lab about transformers we have a question as follows:
Consider a loop in a uniform magnetic field. If the field is suddenly turned off, in which direction will the current flow in the wire?


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My first thought was that if there is no current then there is no magnetic field but I am not sure. Thanks for any hint.
 
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Currents are induced by the loop experiencing changes in the magnetic field, and in particular, changes in the magnetic flux within the area circumscribed by the loop.

Look up Faraday's law and Lenz's Law.

You will have to determine the direction of the change in flux that takes place when the field is switched off, and then determine the resulting direction of the induced current.
 
Can you explain a little better what you mean by the direction of the change in the flux? For the problem, there are no numbers. There is a vertical loop and the direction of the field is to the right. The flux is the integral of B*A since B and da are parallel and A is pi*r^2. Thanks!.
 
The flux is the integral of B*da, and in this case since B starts out at some constant value, and since A is also constant, the flux is B*A.

If you were to represent the original flux as a vector pointing through the loop plane, it would be pointing in the direction of the magnetic field B (to the right, since that's the direction that you said that B points). What happens when the whatever is supplying B field is switched off? The B field collapses to zero, right? What then will be the direction of the change in flux?
 
That is exactly what I do not understand. I do not know how to imagine a direction of a change. As I mentioned in the beginning, I would assume if my B goes to zero, then the flus will be zero and the current will be zero. therefore there would't be a direction.
 
dba said:
That is exactly what I do not understand. I do not know how to imagine a direction of a change. As I mentioned in the beginning, I would assume if my B goes to zero, then the flus will be zero and the current will be zero. therefore there would't be a direction.

Often the interesting stuff happens while things are changing, not after they've changed :smile:

Before the field's disappearance the flux is B*A and is comprised of magnetic field lines of B, which have a definite orientation while passing through the plane of the loop. So when the field collapses, it's as though you're adding a counter-flux to oppose and cancel the flux of the B field. That is to say, the flux change is in the direction opposite that of B. The magnitude of that flux change is B*A if the field goes to zero.
 

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