Transforming differentials and motion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the transformation of differentials in the context of motion, specifically the relationship between the rates of change of velocity with respect to time and position. Participants explore the application of the chain rule in this transformation and seek clarification on the underlying mathematical principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the expression dv/dt can be transformed into dv/dx dx/dt, noting that this transformation seems to involve the chain rule.
  • Another participant explains that velocity v can be expressed as a function of position x, and position x can be expressed as a function of time t, suggesting a nested function relationship.
  • A different participant expresses uncertainty about the assumption that velocity is a function of position, questioning whether this is explicitly stated in the problem.
  • In response, another participant asserts that in a trajectory, all variables are interdependent, implying that such relationships are inherent in the context of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the assumption that velocity is a function of position, with some expressing uncertainty about this relationship while others assert its validity in the context of motion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the assumptions made about the relationships between variables, particularly the dependence of velocity on position and the implications of applying the chain rule. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the problem statement regarding these relationships.

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Hello, I currently have a problem with interpreting how this statement was interpreted:

We have a rate of change which is dv/dt, and in the given notes, they transformed the expression dv/dt into dv/dx dx/dt (using the chain rule). Then, the whole expression simply turns into v dv/dx (as dx/dt is the rate of change in distance which is velocity).

The thing I don't understand is how you can change dv/dt into dv/dx dx/dt. I've noticed that the differentials actually cancel out, but I need the mathematical explanation for this (someone told me that it was due to the chain rule).

Could someone please explain this problem carefully to me? Thank you very much for your patience.
 
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hello fogvajarash! :smile:
fogvajarash said:
The thing I don't understand is how you can change dv/dt into dv/dx dx/dt. … I need the mathematical explanation for this (someone told me that it was due to the chain rule).

v is a function of x: v = v(x)

x is a function of t: x = x(t)

so we can write v = v(x(t))

now apply the definition of derivative, limh->0 [v(x(t+ h)) - v(x(t))]/h, and you get … ? :wink:
 
I'm sorry tiny-tim for not replying (midterms are killing me)! The main problem is, how do we know that v is a function of x? (or that is stated in the problem?)
 
hi fogvajarash! :smile:
fogvajarash said:
… how do we know that v is a function of x? (or that is stated in the problem?)

in a trajectory, everything is a function of everything else :wink:

(you need to get used to this!)
 
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