Transforming Stress-Energy Tensors in Different Frames

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The discussion revolves around calculating the components of stress-energy tensors for a system of particles moving with a uniform velocity in different inertial frames. The original poster presents a scenario involving a group of particles with a specified rest-mass density and attempts to apply the transformation of tensors between frames.

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  • The original poster attempts to use the stress-energy tensor equation and transformation matrices to calculate tensor components in different frames. Some participants question the correctness of the transformation approach and seek clarification on the matrix used for transformations.

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Participants are actively discussing the methods for transforming the stress-energy tensor, with some providing detailed calculations and others questioning the assumptions and definitions of the transformation matrices. There is no explicit consensus yet, but guidance on the correct application of tensor transformation has been suggested.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the direction of transformations between the comoving frame and the observer's frame, as well as the proper formulation of the transformation matrices. Participants are also addressing potential errors in the tensor entries resulting from these transformations.

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Homework Statement


In an inertial frame O calculate the components of the stress–energy tensors of the following systems:
  1. (a) A group of particles all moving with the same velocity ##v = \beta e_x##, as seen in O.
    Let the rest-mass density of these particles be ##\rho_0##, as measured in their comoving frame. Assume a sufficiently high density of particles to enable treating them as a continuum.

Homework Equations


##T^{\alpha \beta} =\rho_0 U^{\alpha} U^\beta##

The Attempt at a Solution


I used the above equation, and I got the same results as in the book (as the particles can be assumed to be "dust"). However, in the MCRF, the tensor has ##T^{00} = \rho_0## and all the other components equal to 0. If I try to calculate the tensor in another frame moving with speed ##\beta## along the x-axis of this MCRF using ##T^{\alpha ' \beta '} = \Lambda^{\alpha '}_\alpha \Lambda^{\beta '}_\beta T^{\alpha \beta}##. I don't get the same result. Why is this approach wrong? Thank you!
 
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Both methods should give the correct answer. Can you show more detail of your calculations?
 
TSny said:
Both methods should give the correct answer. Can you show more detail of your calculations?
We have ##\Lambda = \begin{pmatrix}
\gamma & -\beta \gamma & 0 & 0 \\
-\beta \gamma & \gamma & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}## so ##T' = \begin{pmatrix}
\gamma & -\beta \gamma & 0 & 0 \\
-\beta \gamma & \gamma & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
\gamma & -\beta \gamma & 0 & 0 \\
-\beta \gamma & \gamma & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
\rho_0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0
\end{pmatrix}## =
##
\begin{pmatrix}
\gamma & -\beta \gamma & 0 & 0 \\
-\beta \gamma & \gamma & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
\rho_0\gamma & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
-\beta\rho_0\gamma & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0
\end{pmatrix}
## =
##
\begin{pmatrix}
\rho_0 \gamma^2 + \beta^2 \gamma^2 \rho_0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
-2\beta \rho_0 \gamma^2 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0
\end{pmatrix}
##
 
Is this the matrix that transforms from the comoving frame to frame O, or does it transfrom from O to the comoving frame?
 
TSny said:
Is this the matrix that transforms from the comoving frame to frame O, or does it transfrom from O to the comoving frame?
Sorry, I replied to your previous post. That is what you obtain going from MCRF to the one that is observing it (I hope I didn't do mistakes). However, when you do the other method you have the 01 and 11 entries non-zero, so I am doing something wrong here.
 
It helps to write the components of ##\Lambda## as ## \Lambda^{\alpha '} \, _\mu## so that the first index ##\alpha '## is the row index and the second index ##\mu## is the column index. Then you have ##T^{\alpha ' \beta '} = \Lambda^{\alpha '} \, _\mu \Lambda^{\beta '} \, _\nu T^{\mu \nu}##. You can then see that this is not the same as matrix multiplication ##\Lambda \Lambda T##. But note that

##T^{\alpha ' \beta '} = \Lambda^{\alpha '} \, _\mu \Lambda^{\beta '} \, _\nu T^{\mu \nu} = \Lambda^{\alpha '} \, _\mu T^{\mu \nu} \Lambda^{\beta '} \, _\nu = \Lambda^{\alpha '} \, _\mu T^{\mu \nu} \left( \Lambda^T \right) _\nu \, ^{\beta '} ##.

Here, ##\Lambda ^ T## is the transpose of ##\Lambda##. So the matrix multiplication is ##\Lambda T \Lambda^T##.

The other issue is whether or not you have the correct entries for ##\Lambda## for transforming from the comoving frame to frame O.
 

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