Transition Matrix: Polynomial to Coordinate Form

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of polynomial bases into transition matrices, specifically addressing the transformation between polynomial form and coordinate form. Participants explore the mathematical processes involved in finding transition matrices and their inverses, as well as the implications for further calculations related to these matrices.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in converting polynomial bases into a transition matrix and seeks guidance on the process.
  • Multiple participants provide polynomial representations and attempt to derive the transition matrix, with some discrepancies noted in the matrix entries.
  • There is a suggestion that the inverse of the transition matrix has been computed, with one participant providing their result for the inverse matrix.
  • Another participant proposes a method for addressing subsequent parts of the problem, suggesting that one should multiply with respect to the new basis.
  • Further discussion includes how to handle the transition from one basis to another and the necessary computations involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the correct entries of the transition matrix, with multiple participants questioning the accuracy of the provided matrices. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different approaches and calculations without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential typos and discrepancies in matrix entries, indicating that assumptions about the correctness of earlier contributions may be flawed. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in the definitions of the bases being used.

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Readers interested in linear algebra, specifically in the context of polynomial transformations and transition matrices, may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi guys,

I'm having a little difficulty in converting a set of two bases into a transition matrix. My problem lies in the bases, because they are in polynomial form compared to your elementary coordinate form.

How would I go about finding the transitional matrix for this example...View attachment 824

Thanks in advance guys (Cool)
 

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We have $$-1+2x-2x^2=(-1)1+(2)x+(-2)x^2\\1-x+x^2=(1)1+(-1)x+(1)x^2\\2-x+2x^2=(2)1+(-1)x+(2)x^2$$ Transposing we get $$P_{\mathcal{S},\mathcal{B}}=\begin{bmatrix}{-1}&{\;\;1}&{\;\;2}\\{\;\;2}&{-1}&{\color{red}-1}\\{-2}&{\;\;1}&{\;\;2}\end{bmatrix}\;,\quad P_{\mathcal{B},\mathcal{S}}=\begin{bmatrix}{-1}&{\;\;1}&{\;\;2}\\{\;\;2}&{-1}&{\color{red}-1}\\{-2}&{\;\;1}&{\;\;2}\end{bmatrix}^{-1}=\ldots$$
 
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Fernando Revilla said:
We have $$-1+2x-2x^2=(-1)1+(2)x+(-2)x^2\\1-x+x^2=(1)1+(-1)x+(1)x^2\\2-x+2x^2=(2)1+(-1)x+(2)x^2$$ Transposing we get $$P_{\mathcal{S},\mathcal{B}}=\begin{bmatrix}{-1}&{\;\;1}&{2}\\{\;\;2}&{-1}&{1}\\{-2}&{\;\;1}&{2}\end{bmatrix}\;,\quad P_{\mathcal{B},\mathcal{S}}=\begin{bmatrix}{-1}&{\;\;1}&{2}\\{\;\;2}&{-1}&{1}\\{-2}&{\;\;1}&{2}\end{bmatrix}^{-1}=\ldots$$
shouldn't the matrix be =\begin{bmatrix}{-1}&{\;\;1}&{2}\\{\;\;2}&{-1}&{-1}\\{-2}&{\;\;1}&{2}\end{bmatrix}
 
Kaspelek said:
shouldn't the matrix be =\begin{bmatrix}{-1}&{\;\;1}&{2}\\{\;\;2}&{-1}&{-1}\\{-2}&{\;\;1}&{2}\end{bmatrix}

Anyway, I've worked out the inverse matrix to be

|1 0 -1|
|2 -2 -3|
|0 1 1 |

I'm not sure about how to do parts b and c)

I'm thinking that perhaps for part b) you multiply with respect to that new basis?
 
Hi for b) I would try to write the polynomial in a vector of basis S. Once this is done, you could try multiplying it with one of the P matrix you have found (I'm try to find out with one!) altough you could also just play with it and find the new vector in basis B,

but doing so, you wouldn't learn much!

For c) The matrix given is in basis S how could you change it?! I leave this one to you, if you complete the b) you should be able to deal with this one :)
 
Kaspelek said:
shouldn't the matrix be =\begin{bmatrix}{-1}&{\;\;1}&{2}\\{\;\;2}&{-1}&{-1}\\{-2}&{\;\;1}&{2}\end{bmatrix}

Kaspelek said:
Anyway, I've worked out the inverse matrix to be

|1 0 -1|
|2 -2 -3|
|0 1 1 |

I'm not sure about how to do parts b and c)

I'm thinking that perhaps for part b) you multiply with respect to that new basis?

So to be sure, you were right about the typo in the matrix Fernando Revilla had. Having computed the inverse as necessary, your next step would be to say

$$[v]_\mathcal{S} = P_{\mathcal{S},\mathcal{B}} [v]_\mathcal{B}\\
= \begin{bmatrix}{1}&{\;\;0}&{-1}
\\{2}&{-2}&{-3}
\\{0}&{\;\;1}&{1}\end{bmatrix}\,
\begin{bmatrix}{2}
\\{3}
\\{1}\end{bmatrix}
$$

For c), the necessary computation is
$$[T]_{\mathcal{B}} =
P_{\mathcal{B},\mathcal{S}} \,
[T]_{\mathcal{S}} \,
P_{\mathcal{S},\mathcal{B}} $$
Each of which you have previously computed.
 

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