Transitions from Rest State to Rectilinear Motion: Infinite Jerk?

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The discussion centers on the concept of a body transitioning from a rest state to rectilinear motion, specifically the idea of "nearly infinite jerk" during this transition. Participants explore the mathematical implications of such a transition, noting that while a step function in acceleration leads to an infinite jerk at the moment of transition, this scenario is not physically realizable in nature. The conversation also touches on practical examples, like vehicles accelerating from a stop, questioning whether acceleration can truly be instantaneous. The mention of the delta function highlights the theoretical nature of these discussions, contrasting mathematical models with real-world physics. Ultimately, the dialogue emphasizes the complexities of motion and the limitations of idealized models in describing physical phenomena.
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From long ago IIRC a body that transitions from a rest state to a rectilinear moving state undergoes nearly infinite jerk (change in 'a'). On the one hand, my memory is reinforced by the idea that not all functions have infinitely many derivatives... But on the other hand, I may not have gone down the chain of differentiation far enough, so that jerk isn't "nearly infinite" ever, after all.

I am going to go soak my head while I await your wisdom...

Mark W. Ingalls
 
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So what is your question?

Can you give a better idea of what you mean by nearly infinite?
 
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From long ago IIRC a body that transitions from a rest state to a rectilinear moving state undergoes nearly infinite jerk (change in 'a').
The kinematics of such a transition may be described mathematically as such and give a "nearly" infinite jerk (whatever that means) its different than what can actually happen in nature. Suppose a particle is described as having zero acceleration for t < 0 and constant acceleration for t > 0. The acceleration is then a step function. Then the jerk is infinite (delta function) at t = 0. This does not mean that this situation can happen like this in nature.

Pete
 
Thanks for stopping by, integral and pmb_phy--

I am familiar with the delta function; I also know that we EE's blow off the natural response and (In my case) any forcing function that is not "harmonic," e.g. sinusoidal, but I was thinking about a car pulling away from a stop light, or a train pulling away from the station. Is there an instant when the vehicle under consideration goes from 'motionless' to 'moving'?

And in that *cusp* of an instant, the vehicle's position wrt time would (obviously) have to be continuous, but would its acceleration, necessarily? (This was many, many years ago; we had slide rules then.)

#:8-o

Anyway, thanks for helping scrape the rust off...

M
 
I just wanted to shut all the gates on my way out...

I recalled the force - voltage analogy and I immedeiately visualized the response of an inductor-terminated X-line to a voltage step.

F = V
m = L
v = i

dV/dt = L di/dt, ...

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M
 
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