Transmission of laser between towers?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of transmitting data using laser technology between towers, particularly in the context of long-distance communication without relying on traditional high-speed internet infrastructure. Participants explore the potential advantages and challenges of such a system, including atmospheric effects and structural requirements for towers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using laser technology for data transmission between mobile towers as a cost-effective alternative to fiber optics.
  • Another participant references an article about NASA's development of a laser communication system that could significantly increase communication speeds.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenges of maintaining a direct line of sight for distances over 50 km, including atmospheric disturbances that could affect signal quality.
  • A mathematical relationship is provided to estimate the required tower height for achieving specific transmission distances, indicating that significant height increases are necessary for longer distances.
  • One participant suggests that multiple smaller towers could be a solution, while another points out that satellite-based systems might be more effective.
  • A suggestion is made to explore microwave links as an alternative, which could support communication over distances up to 50 km if line of sight is maintained.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of ideas and concerns regarding the practicality of laser communication between towers, with no consensus reached on the viability of the proposed system or the best approach to long-distance data transmission.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various limitations, such as the impact of atmospheric effects on signal quality and the structural challenges of building sufficiently tall towers for long-distance laser communication.

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Hello there!
I was brainstorming a lot when I took a walk today. Not that I posses any type of degree in communication, although I find it interesting of IT communication and they techniques we use for cellar communication. NOW to what I thought about. Let's have an example:
If I were to transmit a huge amount of data from my current place Sweden to let's say... The UK? And nothing as sophisticated as high speed internet were available. What would be the most efficient structure of infrastructure to do so?

Then I thought about laser or concentrated electromagnetic radiation. What if there were regular mobile towers which didn't use the regular mobile communication (I mean the widespread wave length) but which were capable of fixing a some sort of laser together to form a mutual beam of some sort to the location? Would this "technique" me much cheaper since we save money on materialistic costs such as fiber optics?
Please don't call me stupid. I just want to hear what you guys have to say :-p
 
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For distances of more than 50km, the direct line of sight can get problematic. And you can get all sorts of nasty effects from the atmosphere.
For near-Earth communications, laser-based systems would speed communications up from Mbps to Gbps.
That is fast for satellites, but glass fibres are in the Tbps-range. Per fibre. You would need thousands of independent laser systems to replace a single strand of glass fibres.
 
Yeah. There are a lot of atmospheric disturbance... But more than 50 km? Is the horizon making it problematic?
 
Right. With the visible distance d in km and the height h in meters,
##d\approx 3.57 \sqrt{h}##
For 25km (for both towers each), you need a height of 49m. That is possible. If you want to double the distance, however, tower height has to increase by a factor of four. A tower of 200m is still possible, but it is not something you can build in your backyard. Another factor of 2 (for a transmission over 200km) would need towers nearly as high as the Burj Khalifa, the tallest building in the world.

I neglected atmospheric effects here - they tend to help, so you get more distance with the same height. But at the same time, those atmospheric effects degrade the signal quality...
 
That is really cool, interesting and helpful! Thanks a lot!
Maybe several smaller towers could make it. :) But it would be rather strange. I guess the satellite version from the link is better
 
Look into mixowave links. Their are models capable of 50 km. Provided you have the height for clear line of sight. Different communication protocols are supported.
 

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