Travel faster than speed of light. According to what reference frame?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of traveling faster than the speed of light within the framework of special relativity, specifically questioning the reference frames from which this speed limit is observed. Participants explore the implications of relative motion and the velocity addition formula.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the speed of light limit and questions whether it implies a universal static reference frame for measuring speeds.
  • Another participant points out that velocities do not add in the conventional manner and suggests consulting the velocity addition formula.
  • A further contribution provides the velocity addition formula and illustrates that even when velocities approach the speed of light, the resultant speed remains less than c.
  • A participant performs a calculation to demonstrate that even with high speeds, the resultant velocity calculated is still less than the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of the speed of light limit and the nature of reference frames, indicating ongoing confusion and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about reference frames and the application of the velocity addition formula, which may not be fully resolved.

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I have been reading Einsteins Relativity and a simple concept in special relativity is tripping me up. I have heard that an object can never reach the speed of light. To which observer is this speed limit seen by. I know your answer will be "By all observers" but that is what I don't get. Wouldn't that have to imply that there is a universal static reference frame by which you could judge whether or not something was traveling faster than the speed of light. If I am not allowed to travel faster than the speed of light by Earths reference frame and therefor I am moving at let's say c-1m/s according to Earth and the Earth is moving away from the Sun at way let's say 10 m/s (really slow, its just to illustrate my question) on the same line I am moving , wouldn't that mean that I am now moving at c + 9 m/s relative to the Sun? I'm sure this is where the intuitive idea of relativity breaks down. I just would like an explanation
 
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If you look up "velocity addition" in wikipedia, you will see this formula for adding two velocities:

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Maybe you can see that no matter how close v and u are to c, the resultant speed, s, will still be less than c. Just for fun, let's make v and u equal to c. Then we have:

s = (c+c)/[1+(c2/c2)
s = 2c/[1+1]
s = 2c/2
s = c

But since v and u must be less than c, the resultant speed will also be less than c. If you want you can do the actual calculation knowing that c = 299,792,458 m/s, v = 299,792,457 m/s and u = 10 m/s but the answer will come out less than c.
 
OK, I did the calculation and got 299792457.0000000667 which you can see is only a tad more than v and still less than c. In other words, it hardly made any difference.
 

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