Traveling at the speed of light and time travel?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of traveling at the speed of light, time dilation, and the implications for time travel, particularly focusing on whether it is possible to reach the speed of light and what that would mean for time perception. Participants explore theoretical scenarios and the limitations imposed by current physical laws.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that while time slows down as one approaches the speed of light, it is impossible to reach or exceed that speed, leading to questions about what would happen if one could.
  • One participant argues that asking what happens at the speed of light is nonsensical within the framework of current physics, suggesting that a new theory would be needed to address such a scenario.
  • Another participant clarifies that time dilation is relative; an observer moving at high speed does not perceive their own time as slowing down, but rather sees the time of a stationary observer as slower.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of light emitted from a moving source, with participants noting that light always travels at the speed of light relative to all observers, regardless of their motion.
  • One participant raises a question about whether light emitted by a moving observer would appear to slow down to another observer, which is met with the clarification that the speed of light remains constant across reference frames, though frequency may change due to the Doppler effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of traveling at the speed of light and the nature of time dilation. There is no consensus on the theoretical implications of reaching light speed, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding, particularly regarding the relativity of time and the implications of approaching the speed of light. There are also references to common misconceptions about time dilation and the behavior of light in different frames of reference.

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I understand that modern day Physics allows for travel into the future, but not the past. I understand that time slows down the closer and closer you get to the speed of light, so that you never exceed that limit. But what if you meet it? I know because of the laws of Physics, you couldn't meet it, only 99.99% of it, but what if you reach 100% the speed of light?

I understand this violates the currently accepted laws, but would time completely stop for the observer traveling at 100% the speed of light? Because any slight movement of the hand, or head or any ligament would then exceed the limit...


Again, correct me if any of my understanding is wrong, I'm relatively new to Physics and I really enjoy it.
 
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Dieterich said:
I understand that time slows down the closer and closer you get to the speed of light, so that you never exceed that limit.

Time is relative. It only slows down relative to people moving slower than you. You would perceive time to go on as normal.

what if you reach 100% the speed of light?

It doesn't really make sense to ask such a question. "What would the law of physics be like if there were no laws of physics?" My point is that you cannot use physics to analyze a situation in which the laws of physics do not hold. You would need a whole new theory to describe it!

That's not to say that you shouldn't ask the question, just that there is no answer that people can give you given our current knowledge of physical laws. Indeed, it is questions like these that tend to inspire new ideas in physics.
 
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Dieterich said:
I understand that modern day Physics allows for travel into the future, but not the past. I understand that time slows down the closer and closer you get to the speed of light, so that you never exceed that limit. But what if you meet it? I know because of the laws of Physics, you couldn't meet it, only 99.99% of it, but what if you reach 100% the speed of light?

I understand this violates the currently accepted laws, but would time completely stop for the observer traveling at 100% the speed of light? Because any slight movement of the hand, or head or any ligament would then exceed the limit...


Again, correct me if any of my understanding is wrong, I'm relatively new to Physics and I really enjoy it.

Your understanding of basic Special Relativity is wrong. When you move, your time doesn't slow down. For example, do you see your time slowing down? After all, according to the creatures on Alpha Centauri, you are moving. Do you see any time dilation effects?

If A moves relative to B, B will see A's time "slowing down". But it works the other way around as well. Since there's nothing special about B, one can also be in A's frame, and A can see that B is moving. A will see B's time slowing down. But both A and B sees no difference in their own respective time.

This is one of the most common mistakes of anyone who misunderstood Special Relativity.

Zz.
 
Dieterich said:
I understand that modern day Physics allows for travel into the future, but not the past. I understand that time slows down the closer and closer you get to the speed of light, so that you never exceed that limit. But what if you meet it? I know because of the laws of Physics, you couldn't meet it, only 99.99% of it, but what if you reach 100% the speed of light?

I understand this violates the currently accepted laws, but would time completely stop for the observer traveling at 100% the speed of light? Because any slight movement of the hand, or head or any ligament would then exceed the limit...


Again, correct me if any of my understanding is wrong, I'm relatively new to Physics and I really enjoy it.

What you should first understand is that if I see you traveling at 99.99% the speed of light, and you emit light in your forward direction, that light is traveling at the speed of light relative to you, and it is also traveling at the speed of light relative to me.

i.e. no matter how fast you go, light going in the same direction as you is always traveling at 300 000 m/s relative to you, whether you emit it or I do.
 
Dr Lots-o'watts said:
What you should first understand is that if I see you traveling at 99.99% the speed of light, and you emit light in your forward direction, that light is traveling at the speed of light relative to you, and it is also traveling at the speed of light relative to me.

i.e. no matter how fast you go, light going in the same direction as you is always traveling at 300 000 m/s relative to you, whether you emit it or I do.

Taking into consideration what you said and as well as what ZZ said, if A is moving relative to B, and B emits light in a forward direction, will the light appear to slow down to A?
 
Dieterich said:
Taking into consideration what you said and as well as what ZZ said, if A is moving relative to B, and B emits light in a forward direction, will the light appear to slow down to A?

Nope, the speed of light is constant from every frame of reference. They would observe the frequency of the light to be different though, due to the doppler effect and also time dilation/space contraction.
 

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