Trig functions translations and combinations of transfomations word problems

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The discussion revolves around modeling the water depth in a harbor using trigonometric functions, specifically focusing on sine functions to represent tidal changes over time. The problem involves determining the parameters of the sine function based on given tidal heights and periods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the formulation of a sine function to model the water depth, discussing the amplitude, period, and vertical shifts. Questions arise regarding the values of parameters 'c' and 'd' in the sine function, as well as the interpretation of the graph's shifts based on the problem's context.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the parameters needed for the sine function, with some participants providing insights into the roles of 'c' and 'd'. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct values or the reasoning behind them, as participants express confusion about the shifts in the graph and their relation to the tidal heights.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the specific heights at high and low tide, the cycle duration of 12 hours, and the need for clarification on how these values translate into the sine function's parameters. There is also mention of external resources for graphing functions.

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Hi, I really need help with this question

1) the water depth in a harber is 21m at height tide, and 11m at low tide. One cycle is completed approximatly every 12h.

a) find an equation for the water depth as a function of the time, t hours, after low tide
b) Draw a graph 48h after low tide, witch occurred at 14:00

y=asink(x-c)+d

Amplitude
a=21-11/2
a=5

K

p=2pi/k
12=2pi/k
k=2pi/12
k=pi/6

what about the c and the d??

and does anyone know of anygood software to graph trig functions?

Thanks
 
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Someone else may be able to help you further but for now...

The 'c' is the extent to which the sine function is moved left or right (when t = 0 where is the tide?...what is the value of sin(t) when t = 0?)

the 'd' is the extent to which the sine function is moved upwards or downwards...(without any further changes what are the maximum or minimum possible values of 5sin(t)

as for for graphing sine functions (and many other functions) check out this free CAS :wink:
http://maxima.sourceforge.net/download.shtml
 
"find an equation for the water depth as a function of the time, t hours, after low tide"
In other words, when t= 0 you are at low tide. I think I would be inclined to try just y= asin(t)+ d.
 
HallsofIvy said:
y= asin(t)+ d.
And modify the argument to the sin() function a little to reflect the period that you are given. The argument to the sin() function should change a total of 2*Pi radians for each period which is 12 hours long.
 
the ansewer in the back of the book is y=5sinpi/6(t-3)+16

But what I don't understand is how did they know that the graph is moved 3 to the right and 16 units up? I don't understand how they got these numbers from that question, if the low tide is 11m, then would'nt that be the lowest point of the graph making it be 11units up
 
whats the lowest point of 5sin(t)? and what is the lowest level of the tide?...it isn't actually moved 3 to the right... it is moved \frac{\pi}{2} rads to the right
("the ansewer in the back of the book is y=5sinpi/6(t-3)+16")

if you plotted the graph of just 5sin(\frac{t\pi}{6}) + 16 would the high and low tides occur at the correct values of t?
 
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Aya said:
and does anyone know of anygood software to graph trig functions?

Thanks
You should get a graphing calculator. I recommend a TI-89 if you want to do any science later.
 

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