Modeling WIth Sinusoidial Functions

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The problem involves modeling the water depth in a harbor using sinusoidal functions, given specific high and low tide measurements and a periodic cycle of 12 hours. Participants are tasked with deriving an equation for the depth as a function of time, graphing the function, and determining various values related to the water depth at specific times.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss different equations derived for the water depth, including sinusoidal forms. There is confusion regarding the maximum, minimum, and average values of the depth, with some participants questioning the correlation between their calculated times and the expected results. Others raise concerns about the proper interpretation of time in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's equations and interpretations. Some have suggested modifications to the equations based on the reference time for low tide, while others are verifying calculations and exploring the implications of time representation in the equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the time representation in the equations may not align with the 24-hour clock format, leading to potential misunderstandings in calculations. There is also mention of the need to clarify the phase of the sinusoidal function in relation to the timing of the tides.

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Homework Statement


The water depth in a harbor is 21m at high tide and 11m at low tide. Once cycle is completed every 12 hrs.
(a) Find equation for the depth as a function of time.

(b) Draw a graph for 48 hrs after low tide, which occurred at 14:00.

(c) State the times where the water depth is
(i) max
(ii) min
(iii) average value

(d) estimate the depth of the water at
(i) 17:00
(ii) 21:00

(e)
(i) 14m
(ii) 20m
(iii) at least 18 m

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This question is really confusing me. I graphed it so that my y-axis is (0,11) and went from there. Found the equation to be y= -5cos((π/6)x)=16 and I also got y = 5sin(π/6(x-3))+16, I check the solutions and they were correct. But now when I went to find the max, min, avg values I kept getting them wrong.
For max solutions said 08:00 and 20:00 I got 6hrs and 18hrs for max and I don't understand how this correlates?? Same problem occurred for the min and avg. As for part (d) I put 17 into the equation and got 20.33 and then I put 21 into the equation and got 16 could someone verify if this is correct? I'm still working on (e).
 
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Veronica_Oles said:
For max solutions said 08:00 and 20:00
Did you sketch the graph of depth as a function of time? At what time did the low tide occur? What point on the graph does the low-tide event represent?
Veronica_Oles said:
I put 17 into the equation and got 20.33 and then I put 21 into the equation and got 16 could someone verify if this is correct?
You can't put 17:00 and 21:00 in the equation. Can you say why?
 
Veronica_Oles said:
and I also got y = 5sin(π/6(x-3))+16, I check the solutions and they were correct. But now when I went to find the max, min, avg values I kept getting them wrong.
Your solution for y is not correct. At time 14, y should be minimum, that is, the phase has to be -pi/2; 3pi/2 ; ...
 
ehild said:
Your solution for y is not correct. At time 14, y should be minimum, that is, the phase has to be -pi/2; 3pi/2 ; ...
I believe OP wrote a general equation w.r.t. time which satisfies the amplitude and period conditions. The time in the OP's equation is not specified in terms of 24-hr clock. It is known that a minima occurs at time 14:00, so this instant is used as a reference time t=0. With a slight modification, the equation can be written in terms of 24-hr clock. (But the solution provided says OP's equations are correct, so I'm not sure if it is required to modify the equation ).
 
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cnh1995 said:
Did you sketch the graph of depth as a function of time? At what time did the low tide occur? What point on the graph does the low-tide event represent?
I graphed it.
You can't put 17:00 and 21:00 in the equation. Can you say why?
Because that is not the actual time that we go by in question. The x-axis is in number of hours.
 
Veronica_Oles said:
Because that is not the actual time that we go by in question. The x-axis is in number of hours.
Yes.
cnh1995 said:
I believe OP wrote a general equation w.r.t. time which satisfies the amplitude and period conditions. The time in the OP's equation is not specified in terms of 24-hr clock. It is known that a minima occurs at time 14:00, so this instant is used as a reference time t=0. With a slight modification, the equation can be written in terms of 24-hr clock. (But the solution provided says OP's equations are correct, so I'm not sure if it is required to modify the equation ).
 
cnh1995 said:
Yes.
Figured out the answer, did the graph correctly, my equation was also correct at y=-5cos(π/6 (X)) + 16 but I realized when u actually start counting the time the y-axis is actually 2 pm.
 
Veronica_Oles said:
Figured out the answer, did the graph correctly, my equation was also correct at y=-5cos(π/6 (X)) + 16 but I realized when u actually start counting the time the y-axis is actually 2 pm.
Well, you can modify the equation and get y=2 pm at the start.
 
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